Elder: I didn't know he addressed this issue. What was being discussed was an equipment manufacturer designing a DSLAM around an ASIC. I'm not sure how and when an order would actually be put in and if it is only done by the equipment manufacturer, or if it also could be initiated by the telco, or the foundry. Spoke may say that the asic has to be finished before any orders take place, I'm just saying that I understood that it could happen before that, but I can't say that I know for sure.