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10/30/18 2:08 PM

#292612 RE: DesertDrifter #292602

Most of those I've come across are from Egypt, India and the Pacific Rim and are in the medical profession either as doctors or nurses.

fuagf

10/30/18 9:01 PM

#292626 RE: DesertDrifter #292602

DesertDrifter, Rep. Steve King Goes Full White Nationalist In Interview With Austrian Site

A shocking interview with a far-right propaganda site offers the clearest look yet at the congressman’s racist ideology.

By Christopher Mathias and Nick Robins-Early

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King’s conversation with Sommerfeld largely revolves around the paranoid idea of the Great Replacement — the belief that mass migration, particularly from Muslim-majority countries, is an extinction-level event for white European culture and identity. Or as he put it in the interview, a “slow-motion cultural suicide.”

“The U.S. subtracts from its population a million of our babies in the form of abortion,” King said. “We add to our population approximately 1.8 million of ‘somebody else’s babies’ who are raised in another culture before they get to us.”

Sommerfeld responded, “That’s what we call the Great Replacement.”

Nick Ryan, the director of communications at the British-based anti-racism advocacy group Hope Not Hate, told HuffPost that “terms such as ‘Great Replacement’ are the preserve of conspiracy theorists and extremists.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-rep-steve-king-austria-white-nationalist_us_5bca4851e4b0a8f17eec6001

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The French Origins of “You Will Not Replace Us”

The European thinkers behind the white-nationalist rallying cry.

By Thomas Chatterton Williams

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n recent years, though, Camus’s name has been associated less with erotica than with a single poignant phrase, le grand remplacement. In 2012, he made this the title of an alarmist book. Native “white” Europeans, he argues, are being reverse-colonized by black and brown immigrants, who are flooding the Continent in what amounts to an extinction-level event. “The great replacement is very simple,” he has said. “You have one people, and in the space of a generation you have a different people.” The specific identity of the replacement population, he suggests, is of less importance than the act of replacement itself. “Individuals, yes, can join a people, integrate with it, assimilate to it,” he writes in the book. “But peoples, civilizations, religions—and especially when these religions are themselves civilizations, types of society, almost States—cannot and cannot even want to . . . blend into other peoples, other civilizations.”

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Although Camus presents his definition of “Frenchness” as reasonable and urbane, it is of a piece with a less benign perspective on ethnicity, Islam, and territory which has circulated in his country for decades. Never the sole preserve of the far right, this view was conveyed most bluntly in a 1959 letter, from Charles de Gaulle to his confidant Alain Peyrefitte, which advocates withdrawal from French Algeria:

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It is very good that there are yellow Frenchmen, black Frenchmen, brown Frenchmen. They prove that France is open to all races and that she has a universal mission. But [it is good] on condition that they remain a small minority. Otherwise, France would no longer be France. We are, after all, primarily a European people of the white race, Greek and Latin culture, and the Christian religion.
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De Gaulle then declares that Muslims, “with their turbans and djellabahs,” are “not French.” He asks, “Do you believe that the French nation can absorb 10 million Muslims, who tomorrow will be 20 million and the day after 40 million?” If this were to happen, he concludes, “my village would no longer be called Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées!”

Such worry about Muslims has been present across Europe at least since the turn of the twentieth century, when the first “guest workers” began arriving from former French colonies and from Turkey. In 1898 in Britain, Winston Churchill warned of “militant Mahommedanism,” and Enoch Powell’s 1968 Rivers of Blood speech alleged that immigration had caused a “total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.”

Anxiety about immigrants of color has long been present in the United States, especially in states along the Mexican border. This feeling became widespread after 9/11, and has only intensified with subsequent terrorist acts by Islamists, the Great Recession, and the election of the first black President. Meanwhile, white populations across the world are stagnant or dwindling. In recent years, white-nationalist discourse has emerged from the recesses of the Internet into plain sight, permeating the highest reaches of the Trump Administration. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the White House senior adviser Stephen Miller endorse dramatic reductions in both legal and illegal immigration. The President’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, has returned to his post as the executive chairman of the far-right Web site Breitbart. In a 2014 speech at the Vatican, Bannon praised European “forefathers” who kept Islam “out of the world.” President Trump, meanwhile, has made the metaphor of immigrant invasion literal by vowing to build a wall.

In Europe, which in recent years has absorbed millions of migrants fleeing wars in the Middle East or crossing the Mediterranean from Africa, opposition to immigration is less a cohesive ideology than a welter of reactionary ideas and feelings. Xenophobic nationalism can be found on both the left and the right. There is not even unanimity on the superiority of Judeo-Christian culture: some European nationalists express a longing for ancient pagan practices. Anti-immigrant thinkers also cannot agree on a name for their movement. Distrust of multiculturalism and a professed interest in preserving European “purity” is often called “identitarianism,” but many prominent anti-immigrant writers avoid that construction. Camus told me that he refused to play “the game” of identity politics, and added, “Do you think that Louis XIV or La Fontaine or Racine or Châteaubriand would say, ‘I’m identitarian?’ No, they were just French. And I’m just French.”
“Someday all these anonymous offshore accounts will belong to shell companies of which you will deny all knowledge.”

Shortly after Trump’s Inauguration, Richard Spencer, the thirty-nine-year-old white nationalist who has become the public face of the American alt-right, was sucker-punched by a protester while being interviewed on a street corner in Washington, D.C. A video of the incident went viral, but little attention was paid to what Spencer said on the clip. “I’m not a neo-Nazi,” he declared. “They kind of hate me, actually.” In order to deflect the frequent charge that he is a racist, he defines himself with the very term that Camus rejects: identitarian. The word sidesteps the question of racial superiority and co-opts the left’s inclusive language of diversity and its critique of forced assimilation in order to reclaim the right to difference—for whites.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/04/the-french-origins-of-you-will-not-replace-us

That's a lengthy article, and i got frazzled when only about a third through.

I get the feeling your 'who does the jobs detail' is by-the-by/digging into too much detail for them. It's not important to the white supremacist who only sees 'white-America in danger.'

Bottom line, i think, is simply that non-Americans are coming in to replace us. And they can't be just doing it because they want a better life. They have to be being organized by someone with a more nefarious goal in mind. That being to destroy America as we have known it. Who to blame. Well. Jews are behind all and everything exploiting us, or a danger to us. Aren't they?

As you can see i don't understand it much either.

fuagf

10/30/18 11:38 PM

#292635 RE: DesertDrifter #292602

Hate Is on the Ballot Next Week

Don’t let the whataboutists and bothsiders tell you it isn’t.
Paul Krugman

By Paul Krugman
Opinion Columnist
Oct. 29, 2018

Donald Trump supporters at a campaign event last week in Charlotte, N.C.CreditCreditDoug Mills/The New York Times

In America 2018, whataboutism is the last refuge of scoundrels, and bothsidesism is the last refuge of cowards.

In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re in the midst of a wave of hate crimes. Just in the past few days, bombs were mailed to a number of prominent Democrats, plus CNN. Then, a gunman massacred 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue. Meanwhile, another gunman killed two African-Americans at a Louisville supermarket, after first trying unsuccessfully to break into a black church .. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/us/louisville-kroger-shooting.html?module=inline — if he had gotten there an hour earlier, we would probably have had another mass murder.

All of these hate crimes seem clearly linked to the climate of paranoia and racism deliberately fostered by Donald Trump and his allies in Congress and the media.

Killing black people is an old American tradition, but it is experiencing a revival in the Trump era.

When the bombs were discovered, many on the right immediately claimed that they were fake news or a false flag operation .. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/business/false-flag-theory-bombs-conservative-media.html?module=inline .. by liberals. But the F.B.I. quickly tracked down the apparent source of the explosive devices: A fanatical Trump supporter, whom many are already calling the MAGABomber. His targets were people and a news organization Trump has attacked in many speeches. (Since the bombings, Trump has continued to attack ..

Trump's last tweet before bed & his first this a.m.--blaming the media as "true enemy of the people"--after a week that saw a would-be bomber target Dems, a white racist kill a black couple & an anti-Semite, anti-immigrant madman kill 11 Jews.

No other president would do this. https://t.co/BpK19vvuga
— Jackie Calmes (@jackiekcalmes) October 29, 2018

.. the news media as the “enemy of the people.”)

The man arrested at the Tree of Life synagogue has been critical of Trump, who he apparently believes isn’t anti-Semitic enough. But his rage seems to have been fueled by a conspiracy theory being systematically spread by Trump supporters — the claim that Jewish financiers are bringing brown people into America to displace whites.

This conspiracy theory is, it turns out, a staple of neo-Nazis in Europe .. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-rep-steve-king-austria-white-nationalist_us_5bca4851e4b0a8f17eec6001 [https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=144563443]. It’s what our own neo-Nazis — whom Trump calls “very fine people” .. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-charlottesville-white-nationalists.html?module=inline — were talking about in Charlottesville last year, when they chanted, “Jews will not replace us .. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/far-right-groups-blaze-into-national-view-in-charlottesville.html?module=inline .”

It’s also the barely veiled subtext of the manufactured hysteria .. https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/574213/ .. over the caravan of would-be migrants from Central America. The fearmongers aren’t just portraying a small group of frightened, hungry people still far from the United States border as a looming invasion. They have also been systematically implying .. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-country-awash-in-foxs-dark-toxins .. that Jews are somehow behind the whole thing. There’s a straight line from Fox News coverage of the caravan to the Tree of Life massacre.

So how are Trump apologists dealing with this ugly picture? Partly through denial, pretending not to see any link between hateful rhetoric and hate crimes. But also through attempts to spread the blame by claiming that Democrats are just as bad if not worse. Trump supporters try to kill his critics? Well, some Trump opponents have yelled at politicians in restaurants!

This whataboutism doesn’t stop with equating protests with violence. It also relies on outright lying.

The day after the Pittsburgh massacre, John Cornyn — the second-ranked Republican in the Senate — tweeted .. https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1056603024121085952 .. “Pelosi: If There Is ‘Collateral Damage’ for Those Who Don’t Share Our View, ‘So Be It’.”

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Pelosi: When We Take Over, Those Who Don't "Share Our View", Will Suffer "Collateral Damage"
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/271679/pelosi-when-we-take-over-those-who-dont-share-our-daniel-greenfield
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This is a lie, plain and simple. I know, because I was there.

Nancy Pelosi’s remark about collateral damage came while I was interviewing her in front of a live audience; you can see the interview here. She wasn’t talking about punishing political opponents. She was, instead, talking about the economic impact of policies to fight climate change, which she conceded would adversely affect some industries even as it helped others. Many people have pointed this out to Cornyn; as I write this column, he has not retracted his false claim.

But here’s the thing: Trump supporters aren’t the only people trying to pretend that he’s only doing what everyone does, that Democrats are just as bad and equally liable for the explosion of hatred.

False equivalence, portraying the parties as symmetric even when they clearly aren’t, has long been the norm among self-proclaimed centrists [Our, conix, firs perfectly into there.] and some influential media figures. It’s a stance that has hugely benefited the GOP, as it has increasingly become the party of right-wing extremists.

You might have thought that the horrifying events of recent days would finally break through that norm. But you would have been wrong. Bothsidesism is, it turns out, a fanatical cult impervious to evidence. Trump famously boasted that his supporters would stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue .. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128269/donald-trump-says-just-kill-manand-may-right ; what he didn’t point out was that pundits would piously attribute the shooting to “incivility,” and that Sunday talk shows would feature Fifth-Avenue-shooting advocates and give them a respectful hearing.

This needs to stop, and those who keep practicing bothsidesism need to be shamed. At this point, pretending that both sides are equally to blame, or attributing political violence to spreading hatred without identifying who’s responsible for that spread, is a form of deep cowardice.

The fact is that one side of the political spectrum is peddling hatred, while the other isn’t. And refusing to point that out for fear of sounding partisan is, in effect, lending aid and comfort to the people poisoning our politics. Yes, hate is on the ballot next week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/opinion/hate-is-on-the-ballot-next-week.html

See also:

WE SAVED 155 LIVES ON THE HUDSON. NOW LET'S VOTE FOR LEADERS WHO'LL PROTECT US ALL.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=144540047
.. in reply ..
Steve Schmidt Calls Out Fox News For Turning Into A Deadly Right-Wing Propaganda Machine
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=144540331

Did Donald Trump Encourage Violence at His Rallies?
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