Major brokerage houses won’t let their clients touch a pennystock because they don’t follow pennies. When Kim uplists in the future, that will change. So it is a combination of getting production and sales going and also doing a reverse split if the share price doesn't go up enough on its own although listing requirements are different for each exchange. If the private goo cos can get what they’re getting, you have to think there will be interest in KBLB at some point when and if sales happen. IMHO