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castboy

03/18/18 8:46 PM

#514001 RE: wwhatthe #513999

only those who released received markers, so you have to have markers to get LTI.
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footballref-8541

03/18/18 9:16 PM

#514002 RE: wwhatthe #513999

Wwhatthe, are you saying you believe the P&K’s are capped?
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Theoaktree2017

03/18/18 9:33 PM

#514003 RE: wwhatthe #513999

Great post...hotmeat 75/25 is only for the redistribution of the wmih... and is cappppp!! I told you that a long time ago...
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Royal Dude

03/18/18 9:35 PM

#514004 RE: wwhatthe #513999

Thank you just is not enough. We thank you for your dd and hard work. Royal
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jerrylev

03/18/18 10:40 PM

#514011 RE: wwhatthe #513999

Long post but you get a good explanation and theory.

I hope that we will receive cash as you said and this saga will be done in a short time. Those who want the second play of this drama, you can continue and play with WMIH shares. Hopefully WMIH will do business with whoever buy our assets. But that is pure business between 2 public companies.
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Nightdaytrader

03/18/18 10:57 PM

#514013 RE: wwhatthe #513999

wwhatthe, from your post below, in red font, you're saying JPM Chase paid $240 Billion and that now belongs to WMI? Is that what you are saying?


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The Trust still can’t be dismantled or dissolved… but…
The Mortgages, or WAMU’s part of the income stream, and the Trust, now all belong to JPMC…

Here in a statement Dated, Jan 13, 2010 (Link at Bottom)
JPMorgan Chase Testimony before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission

JPMC states…
With the acquisition, we purchased approximately $240 billion of mortgage and mortgage related assets…
with $160 billion in deposits…. and $38 billion in equity… We immediately wrote down most of the bad or impaired assets (approximately $31 billion) …. and established proper reserves for the remaining assets, ….as well as for severance and close-down costs.

This demonstrates, that JPMC is the new owner of the Mortgages and the Trust…
It also shows, that, with the purchase of the Mortgages, JPMC also assumed the financial obligation to the Mortgage Backed Securities investors. So, the investors still get their part of the income stream.

WMI’s part of the income stream, no longer belongs to WMI, or the Estate… but, they did receive $240 billion for it
[color=red][/color] JPMC, also purchased the remaining assets.

The FDIC states they have a total of $299 Billion Dollars in WAMU assets… [color=red][/color]

Quote…” Excludes WAMU with total assets of $299 billion and zero estimated losses to the DIF” (Deposit Insurance Fund) … unquote.

These are the talked about assets…
“the assets are retained and therefore the liquidating trust can go ahead and pursue them”.

This is a Bankruptcy Liquidation…
Everything is sold and turned into cash.
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deermountain

03/19/18 12:22 AM

#514016 RE: wwhatthe #513999

I just check my account and I do not have any additional shares posted in my account for the 1.4M distribution on 6/30/2013 nor for the 1.5M distribution on 9/30/2015. Anyone else have this problem.
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hotmeat

03/19/18 12:29 AM

#514017 RE: wwhatthe #513999

Excellent post citing some critical info, especially stating we WILL be issued LTI's,...but i have a couple issues. Equity interests are not claims but rather are subordinate to claims against the estate. This can be seen at the top of pg 41 of the DS.....

Quote: "The Debtors dispute whether the interests of certain holders of Equity Interests or Claims against the Debtors (which Claims are or have been determined by the Bankruptcy Court to be subject to subordination to the level of Common Equity Interest in accordance with section 510 of the Bankruptcy Code), including, without limitation, holders of restricted shares of Common Equity Interests, should be allowed. In addition, as discussed in more detail in Section V.B.5.d hereof, notwithstanding that, pursuant to the Dime Warrants Opinion, dated January 3, 2012, the Bankruptcy Court determined that holders of Dime Warrants hold Common Equity Interests in, rather than Claims against, the Debtor’s estates, as of the date of this Disclosure Statement, the Dime Warrants Opinion has not yet become a Final Order. Thus, there is still an open dispute as to whether holders of Dime Warrants hold Equity Interests or Claims and, if the latter, whether such Claims should be subordinated in accordance with section 510 of the Bankruptcy Code.

This is obviously stating Equity Interests are NOT Claims against the Debtors (note the use of caps "Claims").



The Liquidation preference for the Series K, R and the Reits (Series J + N) stated in their respective Prospectus's were extinguished in the POR on the effective date....

Quote: "POR7...PGS 59-60
"23.2 Cancellation of REIT Series: Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 23.1 hereof, on the Effective Date, all REIT Series shall be deemed extinguished and the certificates and all other documents representing such Equity Interests shall be deemed cancelled and of no force and effect.

"23.3 Cancellation of Preferred Equity Interests: Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 23.1 hereof, on the Effective Date, all non-REIT Series Preferred Equity Interests shall be deemed extinguished and the certificates and all other documents representing such Equity Interests shall be deemed cancelled and of no force and effect."




From the post you quoted, JPM cannot own the Trust assets since WMB also did not own them. If WMB "owned" the Trusts then those assets could not qualify for Safe Harbor and the assets could be seized and sold. There must be a clear separation of assets from the Originator (WMB) via "true sales" to qualify for Safe Harbor. Once that was done, the P&AA states what JPM could not buy....

QUOTE: " “Assets” means all assets of the Failed Bank purchased pursuant to Section 3.1. Assets owned by Subsidiaries of the Failed Bank are not “Assets” within the meaning of this definition.” "

All 1.7B shares are not eligible to receive LTI's and any subsequent cash distributions because they did not sign timely releases. From the statement on Escrow Cusips...

Quote: "the Trust will issue Liquidating Trust Interests to WMI’
s former shareholders if, and only if, the Trust is able to monetize Liquidating Trust Assets in amounts sufficient to pay-in-full claims held by beneficiaries of the Trust who are senior to members of Classes 19 and 22, and then, only if a shareholder had satisfied timely all conditions applicable to receiving any such Liquidating Trust Interests."




The math is a bit fuzzy here,..75% goes to Prefs until they are paid in full and 25% to Commons until Prefs paid in full, with rest to Commons??? So if Prefs are not made whole, Commons get nothing???

This IMO sounds like APR which we know was nullified by the POR and in additions ALL prior rights of Prefs (including their $25/$1000 Liquidation Rights) and Commons (what claims???) voided by cancelling ALL their respective documents.

The use of the term "claims" to describe Pref and Common Interests directly disputes the statements in the DS, so IMO this may be a misnomer.

With APR and documents voided the only reasonable presumption is that 75%/25% applies till all assets are dispensed to ensure Commons receives a distribution.





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BBANBOB

03/19/18 8:29 AM

#514040 RE: wwhatthe #513999

wwhatthe

All I can say is WWHATHE

1. """CLAIMS""" WHATTA CLAIMS????????? we have no claims

2. Prefferds made whole before commons get penny one? AINT NO APR it is not a light switch that can be turned on or off at will........Court made it 75/25 IN CASE there was not enough too even get to face,ALL PLAY 75/25

3. ALL 1.7 bill OLD CO shares involved , released or not????

4. Now WHAT value would this bring to WMIH and it is BOBVIOUS to me that DA BOYZ are building a huge company and what you suggest would leave them FLAT BROKE. Sorry don't see it

5. Bring it heck your math suggests that in round numbers a common would be worth $142 each , HECK bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!! WIth what few old common I have in markers and the Cert I have in the vault they'd would be worth more than my old XXX,XXX K's and P's combined.

6. If this had ended at the END OF POR 6 then you probably would be very close. but you have TOTALLY skipped the issue of AN AMENDED POR 7 was the FINAL OUTCOME, so you're Hypothesis just flat doesn't hold water IMHO

Not saying you are wrong but I am saying there are far too many issues that just don't COMPUTE in your post.


Have said many times , IMHO nobody(self included) here KNOWS for FACT what is going on OR WWHATHE HECK will go on here.

Lots of work for not or at least looks like to me, since the AMMENDED POR 7 makes too much of it GO POOF GHONDI
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Split T

03/19/18 9:27 AM

#514047 RE: wwhatthe #513999

This is really food for thought and I shall mull it over for the next few days. Thanks for taking the time to compile this information and sharing it with your friends and the others on the board.

I have always envisioned you as the new age James Dean driving a 55 Speedster speeding in and out of traffic and keeping an eye on the rear view mirror...I suspect your Grandfather is quite proud of you.

Christmas 2018 may be the time to reflect just who we are as a person.

By the way, the shiny stuff kinda sucks right now.

Bob
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UncleBo

03/19/18 10:48 AM

#514062 RE: wwhatthe #513999

We immediately wrote down most of the bad or impaired assets (approximately $31 billion) …. and established proper reserves for the remaining assets



A highly questionable statement, basically they Marked to Market. However, this is not what they disclosed in the footnotes of their financial statements. They used the word ESTIMATE there, of course. Now we only have seen 17B in losses from the DB portion - far below the cited 31B number.

Murky business still...IMO

Uncle Bo
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goodietime

03/24/18 7:34 PM

#514721 RE: wwhatthe #513999

I'm a bit confused?

"If you did not release, you still have a Preferred Equity Interests or a Common Equity Interests…"

If one DID NOT RELEASE, ..What is showing in THEIR Account, that signifies how much of what comes back, they get??

Released = Escrow Cusips in our account, plus WMIH shares received.

From what I understand, NON-Releasers show NOTHING in their accounts.

Can you clarify? Who or how are 'non-releasers' being kept track of?
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newflow

01/13/22 4:05 PM

#675670 RE: wwhatthe #513999

There are some flaws in whatth post.Non released shareholders can't be identified by estates now after 10 yrs.There is no way to identify them.
Escrow markers were paid cash too in 2014 or 2013,i am not sure but a small cash amounts were distributed.
Litigation proceed interests could get cash.Right to get a liquidating trust interest qualifies one to receive litigation proceeds interests.Litigation proceeds interests are not trust assets ie DCR.