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05/14/17 7:12 PM

#269090 RE: hookrider #269087

hookrider, seems Trump's policies for one will hurt tourism and conferences in the USA ..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-05/trump-policies-provide-australia-with-business-event-opportunity/8417932
.. which has been noted here before, and could be a fairly important hit on your economy.

Sorry, i'm not sure what you are onto with your '40-50s comment .. :)

My posts were basically to suggest, because China in the economic sphere is moving toward more private ownership and
private business involvement, that any fear of communism talk by JimLur and his ilk is basically as F6 put it "rubbish".

I did bump into this one .. How America Spends Money: 100 Years in the Life of the Family Budget
Derek Thompson Apr 5, 2012
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/how-america-spends-money-100-years-in-the-life-of-the-family-budget/255475/

which suggests it's housing and cars which are putting the squeeze on family finances today, whereas back in 1900 it was food and clothing.

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05/15/17 9:18 PM

#269121 RE: hookrider #269087

hookrider! Trump is repeating the isolationism that led to the Great Depression and WWII

.. hookrider, old friend, am sure this is it!! .. lol, last night after digesting a bit more of Spader's The Blacklist .. www.imdb.com/title/tt2741602/ , i hopped into bed, and as head hit pillow one word popped in .. ISOLATION .. seriously, i was so excited i had finally clicked on what exactly you were referring to it was out of bed, with intent to come back on here and tell you .. then cs (common sense) kicked in and back into the cot i drifted .. lol, that is a true story (not Adam and Eve) .. it's exactly what happened .. this morning i wasn't thinking of it, was as usual just on and wandering for a couple of hours, then again, from down deep i guess, some unconscious nagging need to figure it out popped in back and i googled "trump policies old commie tactics" .. haha, this article i'd bet you have read, or if not the exact one something very like it .. chuckle, i noted on getting it, it's a Texas link .. waddaya say? ..

Jeremi Suri, Contributor Commentary at Feb 20

President Donald Trump is unlike any American president in personality, but his policies are old and tired. They do not reflect an innovative effort to make America great. Playing upon fears of economic and cultural change, Trump's executive orders point to a mix of isolationism and intolerance -- the precise policies that contributed to the Great Depression and the Second World War.

The history of Trump's policies matters because it helps us to understand his motivations and the likely outcomes for our nation. He is promoting policies that are attractive to some but have proved to be disastrous failures in the past, and they will have similar effects today. This cautionary history should encourage us to seek alternatives to what we have seen so far.

Americans in the 1920s felt betrayed by leaders and allies who had taken them into a long and costly war that ended with the strengthening of Europe's largest empires and a communist revolution in Russia. The settlement negotiated at Versailles created new international obligations that a frustrated U.S. Senate rejected. Fearing radicals inspired by the Russian Revolution, Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer directed a series of government raids against alleged communist sympathizers and other domestic critics, including journalists and ethnic minorities, who challenged traditional American leaders. Palmer sought to enforce domestic stability and separate the U.S. from the international disorder that followed the First World War. Thousands of citizens had their rights violated, and more than 500 residents were deported in 1919 and 1920 without due process.


Mitchell Palmer, former Attorney General of the United States, leaves Senate office building after appearing before
special Senate committee investigating the Teapot Dome oil lease. He was asked to explain his efforts as counsel
on behalf of Washington publisher E. B. McLean, March 1, 1924. (AP Photo) (ASSOCIATED PRESS)

Warren Harding replaced Woodrow Wilson in the White House with a promise to return the country to "normalcy," which meant a quieter, whiter and more isolated country. Lynchings continued, the country remained aloof from emerging international institutions (especially the League of Nations), and the inequality between wealthy urban merchants and struggling rural famers widened.

The rich and poor did find common ground on one issue: blaming newcomers for joblessness, crime and corruption in American society. Anti-immigrant prejudice motivated Congress in 1924 to pass one of the most restrictive bills in the nation's history, the Johnson-Reed Act, which severely limited immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe and banned all immigration of Arabs and Asians. Six years later, Congress passed the largest increase in import duties in almost a century, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, choking American trade with foreign countries.


This 1924 file photo shows the registry room at Ellis Island in New York harbor, a gateway to America for
millions of immigrants. (AP Photo/File)
(AP)

Does this sound familiar? Trump's early policy decisions have created conditions that are eerily similar to this earlier, ugly era.

Isolationism and intolerance in the 1920s smothered the openness and cooperation necessary for healthy economic growth. Closing markets triggered, in part, the Great Depression, cutting off the country from needed resources, consumers, and allies abroad. Aggressive anti-democratic regimes, especially in Germany and Japan, filled the international vacuum left by the United States.

It took more than a decade from 1932 to 1945 for Americans to recover from the decisions their leaders had made, and even then many families did not regain their prosperity and security until the 1950s.


This 1932 photo from the Los Angeles Herald Examiner Collection of the Los Angeles Public Library shows
hundreds of Mexicans at a Los Angeles train station awaiting deportation to Mexico. (Los Angeles
Herald Examiner Collection/Los Angeles Public Library via AP) (AP)

Americans embraced isolationism and intolerance because they were false solutions to deeper structural problems. Technological innovations like the assembly line and the automobile displaced millions of people, but instead of adjusting, citizens turned to leaders who promised to halt change. As demographics were re-defining ethnic, racial and religious identities, politicians pledged to keep America white, Anglo-Saxon and protestant. President Woodrow Wilson infamously told a group of African-Americans: "Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen."

Foreign competitors were rising around the globe, but instead of making necessary preparations and nurturing alliances, voters elected leaders who promised to segregate and build walls. Politicians offered quick fixes to serious problems, which made them much worse for nearly everyone.


NAACP Pickets the H.L. Green Company Picket signs says: "H.L. Green Co. Insults Human Dignity with
Segregated Food Services. Why Pay for Segregation!" Dallas History and Archives Division, Dallas Public Library.

These are precisely the circumstances we have entered during the past year. Trump has identified some serious problems within American society: economic inequality, social displacement and deep distrust in established institutions. Millions of Americans feel they have been cheated, and they blame political elites. They are looking for changes that will restore hope and dignity to their lives.

In response, Trump is recycling the repertoire of the early 20th century because it appears to address these contemporary concerns.

His ban on visitors from seven Muslim countries and his moratorium on all refugees is a restoration of the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924. His withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and his threat to replace NAFTA with high tariffs on Mexican imports echoes the Smoot-Hawley Act of 1930. Trump's executive order to build a wall on the Mexican border and his denigration of NATO and other alliances is a return to the isolationism of the 1920s.

The anti-Muslim rhetoric, the demonizing of the press and the Twitter bullying are a replay of the intimidation tactics used by the U.S. government earlier to silence and remove domestic dissidents. Combine that with his dismissive attitude toward foreign threats, especially from Russian President Vladimir Putin, and you have the makings of another international power vacuum amidst increasing American unpreparedness for effective military action.

Trump blames his predecessor for American weakness, but his pro-Russian rhetoric, his bashing of alliances and his antagonism toward strategic partners have already diminished our military reach. Yemen has prohibited American anti-terrorist operations on its territory since Trump took office, and other countries could soon do the same. We will see more countries looking to Russia and China for reliable support, not the United States, under Trump's isolationist leadership.

Of course, Trump has added new tactics for promoting these old policies. He uses social media to reach thousands of people without any mediation or fact-checking. His demagoguery makes the old policies even more provocative and dangerous for democracy.

There is no reason to anticipate that the policies of isolationism and intolerance that brought great suffering almost a century ago will fare any better today. In a more globally interdependent and diverse world, we should expect more disastrous results.

History does not repeat itself, but the record is clear. Putting up walls, denying entry to refugees, dismantling alliances and ignoring enemies are recipes for more American suffering, not less. False solutions that appeal to raw emotions are distractions from the real work that must be done to reform institutions in a more competitive world.

At the very least, we should avoid making the same mistakes again. Trump is returning our policies to the 1920s, and the accompanying disasters.

Jeremi Suri holds the Mack Brown Distinguished Chair for Leadership in Global Affairs at The University of Texas at Austin.
His newest book is "The Impossible Presidency: The Rise and Fall of America's Highest Office." Twitter: @JeremiSuri


https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/20/trump-repeating-isolationism-lead-great-depression-wwii

hookrider, lol, right or wrong? .. please let me know if it's the isolationism, intolerance and fear that Trump preached to poach
his position as president that you were referring to .. sentiment as in this article .. right or wrong? .. please let me know .. grin.

ps: just to repeat, i don't think he really had any legit policies in mind, but that he just said anything he felt would help him win the election.

See also:

The Donald Trump Impeachment Clock Is Ticking
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=131380791

pss: off the watch Celtics v Wizards.