I hear what you're saying, SteveNix. I'm still in the JF & Chipper "lied their arses off" camp so they could dump double the amount of OS on the market.
JF was an accountant (from what i heard) so he should be good at numbers and figures, and i'm sure they knew the status of subs vs. what they "said" they had. They blatantly lied and mislead the investment community with those conference calls.