WMFT:
Choosing and eating from the fruit of this forbidden tree produces the way of pain, suffering, misery, sorrow, curses, diseases, and confusion about one's purpose in life.
People experience these things without "eating from the fruit of this forbidden tree." People suffer without sinning.
All men today by birth, are born into families following this choice and who refuse to accept the truth, that all of man's suffering, pain, misery, and sorrow is from this way that man has been choosing and continues to follow since the very beginning of man. Man is bent on making no real and everlasting changes in his life and because of this, suffers greatly for it.
Do you all mankind on general, all men? Because I was born into a Christian home. Granted, my parents were not perfect, but they were and are still God-fearing people who did not follow the ways of man but rather the ways of God.
Keeping God's commandments are also requirements any child must come to understand that he must commit himself to obey, in order to be accepted by Christ, to receive forgiveness and eternal life.
Is this to say that we need to work in order to accept God's forgiveness? This is a belief of Catholics.
Deuteronomy 6:1-2- 1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
7- And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
17-18- Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee. And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest go in and possess the good land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
Matthew 19:17-19- And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
These verses are saying to keep the commandments, NOT that keeping these commandments is a prerequisite for salvation or having your sins forgiven.
Any minister who tries to refute these Scriptures as proof about commandment keeping being a requirement for being forgiven by Christ, had better read about his and his family's fate in Zech. 5:3-4.
Let's look at it:
3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
These verses do not say that keeping the commandments is a requirement for forgiveness. And you also need to remember, we ALL do these things in some way every day, and, praise God, we are not "cut off."
Parents and their children cannot connect the dots of following this God forbidden way which causes and brings on suffering and early and untimely deaths.
Following this forbidden way and its way of much suffering and sorrow, is not causing people to ask questions about their lives and to examine and change their lives from the ways of suffering, pain and death, to the ways of real joy and real everlasting happiness and everlasting life.
Suffering and pain are red flags that go up telling a person that something is wrong or that the way of life he is living is not the true way that God commanded man to follow and live in the beginning and needs close attention to make a change in his direction.
This is a second main reason why people from all walks of life suffer and are dying early in their lives. It is all because God's Ten Commandments when broken, have power and authority over people's lives. People's ignorance of God's law and commandments does not free one from the law's authority and judgment and suffering over their life. All of man's misery, pain and suffering is the result of man having first chosen the forbidden tree, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which God commanded man not to choose and secondly this causes man to reject Jesus Christ and choose the way of transgression of God's Commandments which is the way of sin, darkness, and death.
Where are you getting your information that suffering is only caused by disobedience to God?
The very first children, Adam and Eve, who were created on this earth, rebelled against their Godly parents, parents who are God and who said We created them in our image, Gen. 1:26. But in their children's minds, and as it is today in the minds of parents, both could not and cannot grasp that this forbidden way will bear all the fruit of suffering, sorrow, much pain and even premature death .
Adam and Eve were not children. They were created aduts with adult minds. They did not have the minds of infants. The way that we know is that 1) God believed that they were mature enough to be married; 2) they were mature enough to be responsible for the keeping of the Garden; 3) Adam was able to name all the animals by himself; 4) God entrusted them with commandments that He expected them to obey.
This suffering, pain, misery, and sorrow is all caused by all the sins of following this forbidden way, consisting of such family destructive sins today as people using mind changing drugs, from over and under the counter use, excess alcohol use, and committing the sin of lusting for naked flesh, pornography which God condemns, Lev. 18:1-30, and fornication of every sexual perversion, and all leading to other crimes such as robbery, violence, child abortion, sexual child abuse and family destroying adulterers and adulteresses, bringing about divorces, all to the destruction of families. All of this is the fruit of following the forbidden tree and creates great suffering and misery, James 4:4.
James 4:4- Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
This verse does not say that disobedience causes suffering.
A good understanding have all who keep God's commandments, understanding why there is suffering, pain, misery, early deaths and sorrow. Study Proverbs 3:1-35.
I have. And Proverbs 3 talks about the benefits of keeping the law, and that we are to keep the law. It does not say that not doing so will casue pain, destruction, suffering, or premature death.
I know that this post was rather a long one, but as you can see, I find serious flaw with what this person is saying. It sounds like a transcript from a sermon on suffering. And, honestly, after reading this, I still don't understand what that man is saying. The only thing I can gauge from it is that man suffers because he sins. I think that is the point the originator was trying to make.
He did make an example of Job, but let me ask you this: What wring did Job do to deserve suffering? He was perfect in the eyes of God, blameless. And Gid allowed Him to suffer. What wrong did he do?
Whoever that person was that you quoted had a tendency to repeat himself several times. But most of all, and this is where I find most fault with this man, he used verses out of context. As you can see, I looked them up, and they do not prove the points he was trying to make.
This individual is trying to make the Scriptures fit his viewpoint.
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