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Bullwinkle

07/11/03 12:42 PM

#129121 RE: extelecom #129048

ET,

I will look into the #'s, but I think it is easy to imagine that a software upgrade and some board transfer would be much more cost effective than tearing out all of the hardware and starting over from the skeletal remains of a base station as would be the case with the W-side of things. This is the way I understand it to be, but again, I do not want to sound like I have all the answers. It is the way I understand it and I am sure many here could possibly give input to such a thesis.

As for the belief part of my post... If you were a company such as a NOK that enjoyed for many years a killer stream of royalties, would you not want to ensure that you continue to get royalties? I look at it this way...These company's were in a race to dominate the next generation of wireless and all of a sudden an underdog comes out and claims they have the technology before any of the others. The others are currently the big dogs on the block and do not believe it, yet another has moved in and claims they have what it takes and then goes as far as to prove it. While the others are still scrambling to get things up and running, the underdog is starting the roll out. Now the underdog is beyond roll out and into the next phase and the next. The big dogs are still struggling to get their tech to work. So what would you do? I would do exactly what they did as to not be left behind. Take the new current technology and try to add a twist of my own and try to call it "mine". It has worked to a certain extent, but not to the extent that the big dog would have liked. JMMO
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Bullwinkle

07/12/03 5:25 PM

#129415 RE: extelecom #129048

ET,

I have dug through some info and gone back over some posts and have something to present, but first I want to clarify a couple of things. In a previous post I said that speeds in excess of 2-3Gbps possibly 4-5Gpbs are to be reached. Upon refreshing my memory on the technicals I believe that number is in Megs, not the Gigs. Secondly, when I say that WCDMA is anything but efficient I should have said on a cost basis and based on the path chosen by TDMA/GSM operators. Here is a link to support that thought:
http://telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_cingular_backs_away/


Ok, now onto the #'s. If the GSM operators were to choose to go directly to WCDMA there would be a cost savings almost equivalent to the traditional CDMA path, but that does not look like that will happen for various reasons such as the economy, etc. The following link gives a pretty good comparison of the costs for the path of each of the technologies and options for the road to 3G (the pertinent info is at the bottom of the article, but I suggest reading it all as it is very good and even gives a link that touches on 4G):
http://www.wirelessdevnet.com/channels/wireless/training/mobilewirelesstomorrow6.html


The next link supports the differences between the technologies and ease/difficulty of upgrades:
http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=cdma+towers&ei=UTF-8&url=-1fjd0pRMMUJ:std.occ.cc.mi.us/d....


On the network deployment side of things I found a link of what it will cost Telstra to deploy a good sized CDMA network of base stations (103 base stations at a cost of AU$231 Million).
http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/communications/story/0,2000048620,20275090,00.htm

Now we get an idea what each base station will cost, but it is based on Aussie dollars and not US dollars. The conversion rate for this deployment in the USA would roughly be US$152 Million, but there are other issues to consider... First of all the Telstra deployment will probably occur in a lot of "outback" territory. This makes it much more simple to deploy as opposed to a deployment in a metropolitan area such as Los Angeles for instance. People do not want the towers in their backyard due to the EMF's transmitted by such a set-up. So I have provided a link on what the additional cost would be for a metro deployment. This takes into consideration aesthetics, environmental concerns, construction and legal costs:
http://www.umass.edu/tei/ogia/pilgrim/celltower/

Aside from all of this is also the type of tower used, such as a roof top model, mono-pole, etc. I do not have the costs for each of these, but let's use the #'s presented as a worst case scenario being as those would be less costly to deploy. I think I read somewhere that AT&T deployed a mono-pole set-up in Arizona out in the middle of nowhere for something like $452K, so you get the idea of what I mean.

Well that is it and now for fun, I have included some other cool links I ran across...

Cellular Contract info:
http://www.cellular-news.com/infrastructure_contracts/

Cell and Satellite (costs to run on page 9):
http://www.actonline.ws/Download/USFWorkshop/McLean.pdf

World's first WCDMA/GSM calls:
http://www.cellular.co.za/news_2002/061102-qualcomm_announces_world.htm

Wireless FAQ:
http://www.actonline.ws/Download/USFWorkshop/McLean.pdf

SnapTrack (QCOM sub for GPS trucking and cell phone trackability):
http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/releases/snaptrack.pdf

WiFi FAQ:
http://www.austinwireless.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

I had fun doing putting this together and learned some more from the exercise. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did in doing it 8^)