rettacs- agree, by Nov. 14th a refi would take a miracle. If true ( 99% confidence in NO refi), then the hope is NO TSA First Lot Delivery between now and then, but a window is ID'd for THAT delivery in the near future. After that, a discussion on new product development is very necessary for longs to stay in the stock AND DM should want longs in as the last thing this stock needs is a pile up at the exit...which is what is happening right now. I can't help but think that this is exactly what a certain someone wants...