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market_watcher

06/29/03 6:07 PM

#124621 RE: Lex4018 #124620

I'm pretty sure the original statement of that sentiment was in Plato. Either the Republic or the Laws.
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Zeev Hed

06/29/03 6:19 PM

#124624 RE: Lex4018 #124620

I read a lot of Marx in my "revolutionary youth" (and have condensed the voluminous "Das Kapital" into: "you'll never get rich from your own work" <g>), but do not remember that route to Capitalism demise. He was more a Hegelian in that respect, namely: "Every system has within it the seeds of its own destruction". I think his route to Capitalism's demise was the conversion of agrarian masses to proletariat by the capitalistic system followed by the rising of the proletariat to overthrow capitalism which gave it birth. This was more a "moral stance" in view of the mid 19th century form of extremely exploitative capital (sweat shops, child labor and the stench of death in mines and iron works).

Zeev
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schloss_1

06/29/03 7:00 PM

#124634 RE: Lex4018 #124620

Lex-

The very first line of the Communist Maifest applies in spades to the United States today...."The histroy of all heretofore existing societies is the histroy of class struggle..."

I couldn't have said it better myself. Neither could I name all the different classes in American society today. How about the non-working people against the workers? Retirees against everyone else? The new minorities against yesterday's immigrants' children? I think I could go on, but you get the point.

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greg s

06/29/03 7:44 PM

#124647 RE: Lex4018 #124620

This memorable quotation is from Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813). Scottish jurist and historian, he was widely known in his time and was professor of Universal History at Edinburgh University in the late 18th century.

The quotation is from the 1801 collection of his lectures:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

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Trooper

06/30/03 10:18 AM

#124757 RE: Lex4018 #124620

I believe Cicero is credited with this comment. He predates Marx a bit.


I fear that Marx's most prophetic quote may be that "Democracy is doomed when the people figure out that they can vote their hand into the treasury."