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Zeev Hed

06/28/03 11:36 AM

#124430 RE: Ace Hanlon #124428

George, I'll repeat, a lot of verbiage, very few facts:

Here are some facts:

Demand: Total yearly demand for gold has declined from 4190 tonnes annually in 1997 to only 3414 tonnes in 2002 (I have not, et, seen statistics for the first quarter of 2003), a steady and continuous trend.

The writer is expecting the "masses" or what he calls "lemmings" to be converted to the yellow golden calf, but the lemmings are smarter than he gives them credit for, most of them did quite fine over the last 20 years investing elsewhere (including the last three years of a worldwide bear market). As a matter of fact, investment gold (which he thinks will be the panacea for gold prices, once the stupid lemmings finally understand their erring ways) demand in the years 1997 to 2002 has declined from a puny 459 tonnes in 1997 to an even punier 340 tonnes in 2002. The "lemmings" refuse to listen to the gold hyping "High Priests" (one point on which that writer is right.) On the other hand, gold production in the same period has increased from about 2200 tonnes per year to around 2600 tonnes per year.

These are simple fact that GATA and other gold letter writers never talk about in their verbose letters.

There are about 120,000 tonnes of gold above ground, about 33,000 tonnes in CB's coffers and about 87,000 tonnes in coins, bullions and jewelry in the hands of the public, a huge overhead supply relative to the puny demand. Did anyone here ever read in those verbose and tiring newsletters about the simple laws of "supply and demand"? Do they ever talk about the increased supply (due to improved extraction technology) and declining demand (as the last six years demonstrate)?

Except of some unforeseen financial calamity, there is really no driving force to get gold moving, apart of minor adjustment to currencies moves between themselves (gold has been in a bear market against the Euro in the last 18 months or so...), this particularly in view of the , by now, well known fact, that gold will never again serve to back currencies. I have elaborated on the impracticality (and actual potential damage to the world economy) if CB's returned to a gold standard before.

I wonder how much people are paying for the fully hedged opinion "Gold’s picture is sufficiently bullish (though not without a couple concerns) on its own as to not need an unrealistic and unreasonable "case" made for it anyhow.". What exactly does that "say"? The "Core issues" suggested some three years ago (yes at the top of the bull) did twice as good if not better (Particularly if stops were obeyed) during that period.

Zeev

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Darris

06/28/03 1:37 PM

#124451 RE: Ace Hanlon #124428

George, not sure if you have seen or follow goldheart, but thought this was interesting.

http://www.traders-talk.com/site/mb/show_topic.asp?curpage=1&id=42628&folderid=10
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otraque

06/28/03 1:44 PM

#124455 RE: Ace Hanlon #124428

<<HIGH HOPES http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=580&ncid=580&e=3&u=/nm/20030628/bs_n...


Many managers and strategists think the market will continue to rise, in part because of the liquidity that has been injected into the financial system thanks to the U.S. Federal Reserve (news - web sites).


"My assumptions are that the fiscal and monetary policies will work, that we will have real growth in the third and fourth quarter, approaching 4 percent; that earnings for the remainder of this year and 2004 will surprise you favorably, and therefore the market has further to go," Morgan Stanley senior investment strategist Byron Wien said at a panel discussion on Thursday morning.


Wien earlier this year called for a surge of more than 25 percent in the S&P 500 in the first six months of 2003.


Money manager Neil Donahoe of Sym Financial Corp. told Reuters he has built up the cash position in the $35 million growth stock fund he runs to about 20 percent from about 5 percent a month ago because he thinks stock prices are too high.


"I wouldn't be surprised if six months from now we're talking about what happened to the rally," he said.


But others say the rally will continue.


"I'm really quite upbeat," said Elizabeth Bramwell, president of the Bramwell Funds. "I think people are going to look at their financial statements at the end of June, and that's going to be a big psychological boost."