Replies to post #172657 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[ieddyi]

Nah, it's YOU that don't get it.

By definition it's only the "religious fundamentlists that can hold irrational beliefs and proselitize and/or use force to further their aims

Just look at how progressive the communist govt. in the USSR was.

We all know how opposed they were to "aggressive nationalism"

It all starts from the premise that the left is correct and that any variation from that is absurdly wrong

Human rights abuses never happen in left wing controlled govts

[SeriousMoney]

Your leftist marbles are mixed up with your fundamentalist marbles, brainless. Just because the allies & the axis powers may have used similar strategies & tactics to fight WWII, doesn't make them all fascist. A rigorous study of fundamentalism and leftism should enable you to distinguish the essential differences.

left·ism - the ideology of the political left; belief in or support of the tenets of the political left.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=leftist

fun·da·men·tal·ism - A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

Fundamentalism - An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. Adherence to the theology of this movement.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fundamentalist

[SeriousMoney]

And you won't find too many leftists subscribing to the defining fundamentalist beliefs and precepts of Christian Fundamentalism either, brainless, like inerrancy of the bible, young earth creationism, universal flood geology; all modern versions of the Bible are corrupt except for the King James Version; opposition to embryonic stem cell research, abortion, homosexuality, physician-assisted suicide, etc.

Fundamentalist Christianity

Fundamentalist Christianity, or Christian Fundamentalism... refers to the movement within American Protestantism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by conservative evangelical Christians, who, in a reaction to modernism, actively affirmed a core set of Christian beliefs: namely, the inerrancy of the Bible, the virgin birth of Christ, the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the authenticity of his miracles. This core set of beliefs was the "line in the sand" drawn by conservative Christians as they battled against the rise of rationalism, higher biblical criticism, and Liberalism within Protestant denominations.

Brief history

The term "fundamentalist", in the context of this article, derives from a series of (originally) twelve volumes entitled The Fundamentals. This publication outlined historic Christian theology in an attempt to stem the rising tide of theological liberalism in mainline denominations of the day. It was comprised of essays written by 64 British and American conservative Protestant theologians between 1910 and 1915.

Thanks to a $250,000 grant from Lyman Stewart, the head of the Union Oil Company of California, about three million sets of these books were distributed to ministers across the United States.

Important early Christian fundamentalists included Dwight L. Moody, William Jennings Bryan, John Nelson Darby, R.A. Torrey, James M. Gray, Cyrus I. Scofield, Lewis Sperry Chafer, B. B. Warfield, Carl McIntyre, and J. Gresham Machen.

Originally the term fundamentalist referred to all Protestants who held to biblical inerrancy. However, as the movement developed, dispensationalism and separatism began to overwhelmingly characterize the most popular leaders, which also had an effect on the way that Evangelicals as a whole are perceived by outside observers, and many evangelical, pentecostal, and charismatic have adopted dispensationalusm. Dispensationalism became so predominate in the movement that Fundamentalism has practically become identified with its theology, even though many of the first and most influential Fundamentalists, like B. B. Warfield and J. Gresham Machen, were strongly opposed to dispensationalism.

Doctrine

The original formulation of American fundamentalist beliefs can be traced to the Niagara Bible Conference (1878-1897) and in 1910, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church which distilled these into what became known as the "five fundamentals":

1. Inerrancy of the Scriptures
2. The virgin birth (or, alternatively, the deity) of Jesus
3. The doctrine of substitutionary atonement through God's grace and human faith
4. The bodily resurrection of Jesus
5. The authenticity of Christ's miracles (or, alternatively, his premillenial second coming)

In particular, Fundamentalists reject the documentary hypothesis -- the theory held by higher biblical criticism that the Pentateuch was composed and shaped by many people over centuries. Fundamentalists continue to assert that Moses was the primary author of the first five books of the Old Testament. Some fundamentalists, on the other hand, may be willing to consider alternative authorship only where the Biblical text does not specify an author, insisting that books in which the author is identified must have been written by that author.

Fundamentalists differ from Pentecostals in their strong insistence upon "correct" doctrine and separatism (which often also divides fundamentalists from each other) as opposed to the experiential emphasis of Pentecostals.

Fundamentalists also criticize evangelicals for a lack of concern for doctrinal purity, and for a lack of discernment in ecumenical endeavors {working co-operatively with other Christians of differing doctrinal views}, especially with non-Christian religions. Evangelist Billy Graham came from a Fundamentalist background, but many Christian Fundamentalists repudiate him today because of his choice, early in his ministry, to co-operate with other Christians. He represents a movement that arose within Fundamentalism, but has increasingly become distinct from it, which Fundamentalists refer to, derisively, as Neo-evangelicalism.

Other beliefs

Fundamentalists usually subscribe to young earth creationism and universal flood geology. Some Fundamentalists view all modern versions of the Bible as corrupted and are thus referred to as the King-James-Only Movement.

Additionally, most Fundamentalists oppose human cloning, abortion, same-sex marriages, homosexuality, physician-assisted suicide, and embryonic stem cell research.

References

Armstrong, Karen ‘The Battle for God’ Ballantine Books; 1 Ballanti edition (January 30, 2001).
Bebbington, David W. ‘Baptists and Fundamentalists in Inter-War Britain.’ In Keith Robbins, ed. Protestant Evangelicalism: Britain, Ireland, Germany and America c.1750-c.1950. Studies in Church History subsidia 7, 297-326. Oxford: Blackwell Publishers. 1990.
Bebbington, David W. ‘Martyrs for the Truth: Fundamentalists in Britain.’ In Diana Wood, ed. Martyrs and Martyrologies, Studies in Church History Vol. 30, 417-451. Oxford: Blackwell Publishers. 1993.
Barr, James. Fundamentalism. London: SCM Press, 1977.
Carpenter, Joel A. Revive Us Again: The Reawakening of American Fundamentalism, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0195129075, 1999.
Elliott, David R. ‘Knowing No Borders: Canadian Contributions to Fundamentalism.’ In George A. Rawlyk and Mark A. Noll, eds. Amazing Grace: Evangelicalism in Australia, Britain, Canada and the United States, 349-374. Grand Rapids: Baker, 1993.
Dollar, George W. A History of Fundamentalism in America. Greenville: Bob Jones University Press, 1973.
Harris, Harriet A. Fundamentalism and Evangelicals. Oxford: Oxford University, 1998.
Hart, D. G. ‘The Tie that Divides: Presbyterian Ecumenism, Fundamentalism and the History of Twentieth-Century American Protestantism,’ Westminster Theological Journal 60 (1998): 85-107.
Longfield, Bradley J. The Presbyterian Controversy. New York: Oxford University Press, 1991.
Marsden, George M. ‘Fundamentalism as an American Phenomenon.’ In D. G. Hart, ed. Reckoning with the Past, 303-321. Grand Rapids: Baker, 1995
Marsden, George M. Fundamentalism and American Culture Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1980
Marsden, George M. Understanding Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.; ISBN 0802805396, 1991
Noll, Mark. A History of Christianity in the United States and Canada. Eerdmans, 1992. (pages 311-389)
Russell, C. Allyn. Voices of American Fundamentalism: Seven Biographical Studies. Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1976. Subscription access for this at www.questia.com
Rennie, Ian S. ‘Fundamentalism and the Varieties of North Atlantic Evangelicalism.’ In Mark A. Noll, David W. Bebbington and George A. Rawlyk eds. Evangelicalism: Comparative Studies of Popular Protestantism in North America, the British Isles and Beyond, 1700-1990, 333-364. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Fundamentalist_Christianity

[SeriousMoney]

Dispensationalism is another essential teaching of Christian Fundamentalists. Haven't heard too many leftists preaching Dispensationalism lately, brainless.

Dispensationalism is a conceptual overview and interpretive framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible. As a branch of Christian theology, it teaches biblical history as a number of successive economies or administrations under God known as "dispensations," and emphasizes the continuity of the Old Testament covenants God made with the Jewish people through Abraham, Moses and King David. Dispensationalist Christian eschatology emphasizes a premillennial futurist view of prophecy of the "end times" and a pretribulation view of the rapture.

Dispensationalism and world politics

Dispensationalism teaches that Christians should not expect spiritual good from earthly governments, and should expect social conditions to decline as the end times draw nearer. Dispensationalist readings of prophecies often teach that the Antichrist will appear to the world as a peacemaker. This makes some dispensationalists suspicious of all forms of power, religious and secular, and especially of human attempts to form international organizations for peace, such as the United Nations. Almost all dispensationalists reject the idea that a lasting peace can be attained by human effort in the Middle East, and believe instead that "wars and rumors of wars" (cf. Matt 24:6) will increase as the end times approach. Dispensationalist beliefs often underlie the religious and political movement of Christian Zionism.

Some dispensationalists teach that churches that do not insist on Biblical literalism as they deem appropriate are in fact part of the Great Apostasy. This casts suspicion on attempts to create church organizations that cross denominational boundaries such as the World Council of Churches. (See also ecumenism.)

Dispensationalism and United States politics

Some political analysts have argued that dispensationalism has had a major influence on the foreign policy of the United States, because believers in dispensationalism have had large amounts of influence through the Republican Party. This influence has included strong support for the state of Israel. Some dispensationalist authors such as Hal Lindsey have explicitly identified the Antichrist as having his homeland be in the Soviet Union or the European Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism