Replies to post #19373 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[Rick Faurot]

It is no surprise to see a prominent Republican and former counsel to President Nixon talking about impeaching George Bush. Bush committed exactly the crimes Dean has outlined and impeachment is the remedy the Constitution calls for.

[goodluck]

I wish I thought Dean writes the truth. But he doesn't. Many people, including many senators don't care about truth. They only care about winning. I am watching them in a hearing today talking about changing the rules on filibusters so that they can pass two of bush's judicial nominees. These people are complaining that this is the first, the FIRST time judicial nominees have been filibustered. When reminded that the Republicans didn't have to filibuster nominees from the Clinton years because they didn't even give them hearings to pass them to the Senate floor, they just smile ever so slightly and change the subject. Rick Santorum had the gall to sit there and say that democrats have thrown a nuclear bomb by filibustering--he says nothing about what republicans did in the 90s, he says nothing about the fact that bush has gotten more judges passed than clinton did at a similar time, and says nothing about the fact that 126/128 class 3 judicial nominees have been passed by the senate--no these two are critical, for these two they should change the rules of the senate so that a bare majority can approve judges with lifetime appointments.

It is amazing to me what these people can say with a straight face and a calm voice. I would be blushing if I said some of the things that they say. I would be incapable of saying them.

There will be no bush impeachment with this set of senators. That is for sure. He can lie to his heart's content.

[mlsoft]

"Presidential statements, particularly on matters of national security, are held to an expectation of the highest standard of truthfulness. A president cannot stretch, twist or distort facts and get away with it..."
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sarai...

Does he mean like the same way he "stretched, twisted, and distorted the facts" about what Bush promised Americans??? I think mr dean has already lost all credibility on that score and needs to find other grounds to ply his trade with -- by his own standards, he is unqualified for the office.

See #msg-1078579 where dean listed four things Bush "promised" the American people and two of the four are outright lies and distortions, the other two Bush has already brought about.

Do you not think somebody like dean might have an axe to grind as he runs for president?? Why do you quote him as if he were some paragon of truth???

Again I say -- show me proof that Bush lied.

In edit: mea culpa -- I just noticed it was John, not Howard Dean - another paragon of virtue. My answer remains the same - show me the proof, not the allegation.

mlsoft