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sarai

06/02/03 10:53 PM

#18996 RE: sarai #18994

Marcos - If you interested, I think Title III covers ESL and TESOL requirements on the fedl level. All children are entitled to a "FREE & APPROPRIATE" public education is the over-riding fedl law. You might want to look into it...

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marcos

06/02/03 11:15 PM

#19002 RE: sarai #18994

Depends what you mean by 'regular Spanish curriculum' ... if it is full and of high quality, equal to the treatment of english, then fine .... the only thing i responded to originally was this proposal to exclude spanish by setting up english as superior to it by this 'official' designation, whatever that would mean .... and some have said here, it would mean exactly that, keeping the hispano second-class

The ESL programme with which we are involved, we got into when my wife came seven years ago, she knew no english at all ... it's run by the feds, part of the immigration department, don't know what it costs but it can't be much .... lightly staffed, and the teachers don't get much, they're in an old building that can't have much for rent ..... knowing the feds, the bureaucrats in Ottawa likely quintuple the budget, but on the ground it is good value for money ..... people who go through it find it immensely helpful, and a whole local community has developed around it ...... the two best friends of my wife are hakka chinese and japonese, she met them there, and they still help to put on functions, parties, welcome new people, etc ..... my wife and i are the first they call to help hispanos, for instance there are cuban dance and music groups who come through, we provide translation and help with accomodation and stuff .... highly interesting

Of current US history curriculum i know nothing, what i was talking about was over twenty years ago, possibly twenty-five or more .... the editing was pretty gross, slanted to the rah-rah Manifest Destiny only good injun is a dead injun thing .... there was a display set up in a university complete with translations of relevant passages, the one that sticks most clearly in mind referred to the taking of Tejas, it made no mention of the central issue of slavery, it portrayed the invaders as brave noble warriors for liberty and justice ..... which is pretty funny if you look at the constitution they made in 1836, it specifically enshrined slavery as a fundament of their republic .... slavery was illegal in México, you see

Since i knew a fair bit of the level of knowledge in this society, having spent long periods in the nineteen fifties in Canada, and having watched Davy Crockett on telly, all the old dusters too, John Wayne movies, all that stuff, we ended up having a marathon conversation on the matter, and the fellow who was making the display taped much of our discussion for later transcribing

What they teach now i don't know ... and of course it's too late for the older ones, with their fixed ideas from the previous deficiencies .... generally i have the feeling that the world is less ignorant than before, it makes you wonder some days though, when you see some of the twisted stuff people type on the net .... and some of the twisted stuff they're up to in guvmint, as well ... anyway, i never meant to get trapped into this thread, won't have much time for it during the week .... so here's two friends i'll leave you, one represents la Raza, and the other the anglo, i got them from the aztlan.net people who just between you and me are complete whackos on a level with that fat puerco Glenn Spencer et at, i really think we should dump them all together on some desert isle and supply them with lots of free recreational hand grenades ..... anyway, cheers

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