redbaby...relax....you want serious discussion? At a penny stock board? A stock that has tortured us for 2+ years? ROTFLMAO...get a grip you big baby. What do I do for a living? I'm an S&M Manager for a 70 million dollar company. One which is very profitable by the way. I only play an idiot on the board because as they say "when in Rome...do as the Romans". This place has always been a primal scream room...get over it.