Jeffrey, I can agree with you to a large extent that the parnts are a large part of the problem... Those parents that don't give a damn penalize the children of the parents that do indirectly. Another reason for a lot of the school problems are this new PC - Touchy/Feely mentality that came out of the 80's / 90's where everyones needs have to be met, everyone is special and everyone passes... Personally I think it would make a big diference in my area if they just didn't focus as much on SPORTS. I haven't seen any Cheerleaders for the Math Club ever.