Amazing isn't it? Desperate times call for desperate measures you got it couldn't have stated it better myself .. $absolutely unreal PROS's * ANGST * pertains to the $$$$$ about to be *expended* re: JBII and yep there is something to be said for the *private* sector ;) edit >> GTI is member of the following organizations : 1) New Jersey extension of EPA Waste Wise 2) Association of NJ Recyclers have a good one == 4kids all jmo