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Egypt: Elbaradei, al-Azhar, Leftist Youth Condemn Excessive Force

.. agree totally .. Morsi people calling for and attacking the military is dead end .. for whatever reason, for any segment of society in about any country, to call for attacking the military and to do it is astoundingly reckless .. the question of "disproportionate" force is/will be forever dicey .. the question feels even almost beside the point sometimes .. in my equivocation there i was basically just giving some expression to Elbaradei's position .. i suppose he could be being a bit political in his .. possibly, too ..

Posted on 07/28/2013 by Juan Cole

Egypt reacted with shock and grief to the massacre of Muslim Brothers early Sunday morning. Even figures who supported the July 3 coup .. http://www.aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=737918&issueno=12661 .. such as Vice President for Foreign Affairs Muhammad Elbaradei and the Rector of the Al-Azhar Seminary criticized the military for using excessive force. It seems clear that Brotherhood members were attempting to take control of the crucial October 6 overpass (which goes on for miles and links downtown Egypt to Nasr City). But the military used disproportionate force and so took a lot of criticism.

The left-liberal April 6 Youth movement .. http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=1180791 .. condemned the bloodshed (they had opposed the holding of Friday’s demonstrations in favor of the military, as well.

The incident took the sheen off the massive pro-military demonstrations throughout the country on Friday, which Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi had asked for to give him a pretext to crack down on the Brotherhood.

The better hope would be to find a framework for the reintegration of the Brotherhood into normal Egyptian politics (I think it would have to accept the narrative of Muhammd Mursi’s having over-reached and perhaps even engaged in illegal activities). But at the moment, any such reconciliation seems light years away. Indeed, the new Interior Minister is pledging to clear Rabia al-Adawiya Square, where the crowds have gathered, setting the stage for more massacres.

VOAnews reports:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lr1keNeb0

http://www.juancole.com/2013/07/elbaradei-condemn-excessive.html

Yes .. the deaths of your USA road to democracy struggle far outweigh the number of deaths in Egypt .. forever i hope ..

"The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), the American War of Independence, or simply the Revolutionary War in the United States, began as a war between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Thirteen Colonies, but gradually grew into a world war between Britain on one side and the newly formed United States, France, Netherlands, Spain, and Mysore on the other. The main result was an American victory and European recognition of the independence of the United States, with mixed results for the other powers.

The war was the result of the political American Revolution" .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War .

.. then .. 1861 to 1865 .. whatever the true number .. i see 200000 ..
http://www.cracked.com/article_19223_6-civil-war-myths-everyone-believes-that-are-total-b.s._p2.html ..
to 600000 .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War ..

and all the deaths since .. all on the way to your President Obama's words of 2008 "a more perfect union" ..
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/18/text-of-obamas-speech-a-more-perfect-union/

.. you're right .. a perspective which should always be in mind ..