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Sunday, 06/23/2013 1:04:55 PM

Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:04:55 PM

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Evolution - fact or fiction --

Sound Scientific Logic It is a scientific and logical axiom "Out of nothing, nothing comes." Mathematically, zero times 1,000 is still zero! Even a child realizes this. If he takes his piggy bank, puts no money in it and hides it, and if no one touches it for days, even for months, when he takes it out what does he find? Still no money. Matter does not spontaneously appear or just "pop" into existence. Yet we have an abundance of material objects in the starry heavens. Where did all of these come from? Logically, they could not have come from nothing.

So there must always have existed something from which all these things could have come into existence. That "something" must be eternal. As recently as 1977, cosmologist Jayant Narlikar said that the most fundamental question in cosmology (the study of the origin and development of the universe) is: "Where did the matter we see around us originate in the first place?" Also, comparing the universe at its beginning to a very compact "cosmic egg" that supposedly exploded, biochemist Isaac Asimov says: "Astronomers are bound to ask: What happened before the cosmic egg? Where did it come from?" Trying to show the origin of the stars from dense dust clouds, astronomer Fred Hoyle reached another dead end. He said: "Both these elements [making up the dust] are produced in stars . . . But how did this happen, if we can’t have any stars until after we have dust?

Which came first the chicken or the egg?" The vast majority of scientists today agree with Czech astrophysicist Josip Kleczek, who said in The Universe: "Most and possibly all elementary particles may be created by materialization of energy." He then referred to Einstein’s famous formula E=mc2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared), which shows that matter can be produced from a tremendous source of energy. Scientifically, then, it is possible for matter to be created from a source of "high energy." "But," lamented one outstanding physicist, "where the energy came from we don’t know." So, what logical conclusion can we reach? Simply this: That a source of "high energy" must have been that eternal "something" from which this material universe originated.

This conclusion is backed up by the well-tested Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy, which says that energy-mass can neither be created nor destroyed, but merely converted from one to the other. Hence, science acknowledges that from an eternal source of energy you could get the material universe.

ISAIAH 40:26. " Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these [things], that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names, by the greatness of his might, for that [he] is strong in power; not one faileth" .

GENESIS 1:1 " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

PSALMS 90:1,2 " A prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling-place in all generations.
2. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God." 4.: For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night."
FABLES OR TRUTHS TIME WILL TELL---

INTERESTING OBSERVATION --
When Darwin developed his theory, scientists had little or no knowledge of the amazing complexity of the living cell. Modern biochemistry, the study of life at the molecular level, has revealed some of that intricacy. It has also raised serious questions and doubts about Darwin’s theory.
The components of cells are made up of molecules. Cells are the building blocks of all living creatures.

Professor Behe is Roman Catholic and believes in evolution to explain the later development of animals. However, he raises serious doubts about whether evolution can explain the existence of the cell. He speaks of molecular machines that "haul cargo from one place in the cell to another along ‘highways’ made of other molecules . . . Cells swim using machines, copy themselves with machinery, ingest food with machinery. In short, highly sophisticated molecular machines control every cellular process. Thus the details of life are finely calibrated, and the machinery of life enormously complex."

Now, all of this activity is taking place on what scale? A typical cell is only one thousandth of an inch [0.03 mm] across! In that infinitesimal space, complex functions vital to life are occurring. (Little wonder that it has been said: "The bottom line is that the cell—the very basis of life—is staggeringly complex."
Behe argues that the cell can function only as a complete entity. Thus, it cannot be viable while being formed by slow, gradual changes induced by evolution. He uses the example of a mousetrap. This simple apparatus can function only when all its components are assembled. Each component on its own—platform, spring, holding bar, trap hammer, catch—is not a mousetrap and cannot function as such. All the parts are needed simultaneously and have to be assembled for there to be a working trap. Likewise, a cell can function as such only when all its components are assembled. He uses this illustration to explain what he terms "irreducible complexity."

This presents a major problem for the alleged process of evolution, which involves the appearance of gradually acquired, useful characteristics. Darwin knew that his theory of gradual evolution by natural selection faced a big challenge when he said: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."—Origin of Species.

The irreducibly complex cell is a major stumbling block to belief in Darwin’s theory. In the first place, evolution cannot explain the leap from inanimate to animate matter. Then comes the problem of the first complex cell, which must arise in one fell swoop as an integrated unit. In other words, the cell (or, the mousetrap) must appear out of nowhere, assembled and functioning!

I RELATE TO THIS TYPE OF LOGIC--
Professor Behe states that some scientists have studied "mathematical models for evolution or new mathematical methods for comparing and interpreting sequence data." However, he concludes: "The mathematics assumes that real-world evolution is a gradual, random process; it does not (and cannot) demonstrate it." He earlier said: "If you search the scientific literature on evolution, and if you focus your search on the question of how molecular machines—the basis of life—developed, you find an eerie and complete silence. The complexity of life’s foundation has paralyzed science’s attempt to account for it; molecular machines raise an as-yet-impenetrable barrier to Darwinism’s universal reach."

This raises a series of questions for conscientious scientists to consider: "How did the photosynthetic reaction center develop? How did intramolecular transport start? How did cholesterol biosynthesis begin? How did retinal become involved in vision? How did phosphoprotein signaling pathways develop?" Behe adds: "The very fact that none of these problems is even addressed, let alone solved, is a very strong indication that Darwinism is an inadequate framework for understanding the origin of complex biochemical systems."
If Darwin’s theory cannot explain the complex molecular foundation of cells, then how can it be a satisfactory explanation for the existence of the millions of species that inhabit this earth? After all, evolution cannot even produce new family kinds by bridging the gaps from one family kind to another.—Genesis 1:11, 21, 24.

SEEMS A REASONABLE MAN WANTS ANSWERS NOT SUPPOSITIONS WANTS FACTS NOT WILD GUESSES WHERE ARE ALL THE MISSING LINKS CERTAINLY NOT IN THE FOSSILL RECORDS THEY INDICATE SUDDEN APPEARANCE OF THINGS AS THEY STILL BASICALLY PRESENTLY EXIST NO GOLDFISH EVOLVING INTO A WHALE NO CANARY EVOLVING INTO AN EAGLE
BELIEVERS BELIEVE BECAUSE ALTERNATIVE IS A ALL WISE AND POWERFUL CREATOR AND THAT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO THEM BECAUSE THEN ALSO THE BIBLE WOULD HAVE TO BE REACONED WITH , WITH ALL IT'S LAWS , PRINCIPALS, COMMANDS, INSTRUCTIONS, PROPHECY, PAST AND FUTURE HISTORY, OF MAN , THE EARTH ,AND THE UNIVERSE.

WHO GAVE ISRAEL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND LAW COVENANT WITH ALL IT'S SANITARY, DIETARY, MORAL, JUST, LEGAL, GOVERNMENTAL, RIGHTEOUS, REQUIREMENTS. WERE THEY THE PRODUCT OF THE HUMAN MIND? WHAT WAS THE REASON THEY WERE GIVEN THESE? HOW COME THEY PROSPERED WHEN OBEDIENT TO THESE AND SUFFERED ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES WHEN THEY DID NOT OBEY? WHERE DID MOSES GET THE BRIEF BUT ACCURATE DETAILS ON CREATION AS RECORDED IN GENESIS ? WAS IT GOOD GUESSWORK? HOW DID ISAIAH KNOW THE EARTH WAS A CIRCLE SOME 700 YEARS BEFORE CHRIST WAS BORN.? WHERE DID ALL THE COMPLEX LANGUAGES ORIGINATE?

HOW DID DANIEL KNOW MEDIO PERSIA AND GREECE WOULD BECOME WORLD POWERS ?
AND GREECE BROKEN INTO 4 KINGDOMS UNDER 4 GENERALS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT? HOW ACCURATE ARE THE HISTORIES OF NOAH AND HIS 3 SONS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE.? HOW ACCURATE IS BIBLE HISTORY? THESE ARE THINGS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN LISTENING TO THEORIES OF HOW LIFE AND ALL IT'S COMPLEXITIES CAME ABOUT BY "ACCIDENT " AND THAT NO ONE IS IN CONTROL OF THE VAST AND ORGANIZED UNIVERSE AND IT'S PAST , PRESENCE AND FUTURE. TO ME ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO THE FACT HUMANKIND WAS CREATED TO LIVE FOREVER ON A PERFECT EARTH ENJOYING ALL IT'S WONDEROUS CREATIONS BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT CAUSED A TEMPORARY DELAY IN THAT PURPOSE AND THAT ALMIGHTY GOD IS SOON GOING TO RESTORE THINGS FOR HUMANKINDS ETERNAL HAPPINESS . THE DETAILS ARE CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE FOR ANYONE INTERESTED TO READ AND REASON ON.

ISAIAH 45:18 18. For thus said Jehovah, Creator of heaven, He is God, Former of earth, and its Maker, He established it - not empty He prepared it, For inhabiting He formed it: 'I [am] Jehovah, and there is none else.

PSALMS 115:16 15. Blessed [are] ye of Jehovah, maker of heaven and earth, 16. The heavens - the heavens [are] Jehovah's, And the earth He hath given to sons of men,

MICAH 4: 3.4 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

ISAIAH 35:1-7 1. The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.
3. Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
4. Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
5. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
7. And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

THIS IS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS THE ALL POWERFUL ALL LOVING GOD WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE PROMISES THIS AND WHO CAN STAY HIS HAND.
THIS I BELIEVE BUT TIME WILL TELL--

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