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Re: LG post# 143312

Tuesday, 12/13/2005 10:23:32 PM

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:23:32 PM

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I insinuated nothing of the sort to anyone in particular on this thread, nor any small group of people on this thread. The only thing I can figure is that you are either paranoid or identify somehow with a system of injustice that I addressed. Maybe its something else but I cant figure what it was. At least now I know where the urge to make the
insinuations ( if thats what they were ) came from. It did not really sound like the LG I have seen posting for years.


Insinuating those of us on this thread that believe Tookie Williams should not be given clemency (prior to the decision being made public) were guilty of not caring if innocents get put to death, just because we had not previously addressed the issue was CRAP, but I let your repetition of that insinuation slide even though you made it in several posts.


Many people actually believe the justice system does not execute innocent people.

I was asking questions, not making in insinuations with intent to inflame any individual. There is a difference. I do not believe in the death penalty for several reasons. However given that we do have the death penalty I gotta say other folks in recent history ( like the last few years ) have deserved clemency much more than Tookie Williams ever did and I still do not see what he did to ever deserve to be compared to Malcom X.


You cut the crap, so will I...gg


Had the Black Militant Arnold named been Malcom X would you have written the same paragraph above about Tookies hypocrisy?



I can't really answer that, as I just don't know enough about Malcom X. I will say what I remember of Malcom X, over all I think he was a better model for Blacks than many during that era, recommending they listen, learn and make up their own minds. Best I remember, Malcom’s refusal to toe the line of the Nation of Islam, ultimately got him killed by same.


Your answer is quite sufficient and you have a much more accurate opinion of Malcom IMO than most people I have engaged on the issue.



Was one of the books dedicated to Malcom X or is your question strictly a “what if” hypothetical? If so, I am not interested in “what if” discussions, sorry!


Not at all. Malcom X was possibly the most misquoted person in American History. Because of so many years of being misquoted many people are of the impression that he advocated armed revolution and what not when he actually thought education was a much more dangerous and effective tool against what he saw as the forces of oppression against the Black man in America. I was asking the question to know if you were one of those that believed the media misquotes or had an impression of Malcom based more on fact. NowI know it was the latter.

I personally believe that reading Malcoms autobiography is the only way to Understand Malcom. However I would add that reading Malcoms autobiography without reading Jamie Baldwins criticisms of Malcom and the Nation of Islam is some how incomplete. JMO.

As far as Arnold goes if he is insinuating that dedicating a book to any Black Militant is some how proof that Tookie believed violence is a legit solution to the problems of society that is a hard core racist notion IMO. Martin Luther King and Malcom X were Black Militants. From what little I know about George Jackson, in picking George Jackson as the Black militant that supposedly indicates Tookie was not reformed he choose a figure that Blacks who know a lot about ther civil rights movement could view as someone who based on his prison organizing would have gone on to make a real contribution to the Black struggle in America. Many white folks would assume that the mere fact that he was a Black Panther meant that he advocated violence. I have news for those people.

Many Black Panthers did not advocate violence.

The Black Panther Party in Oakland orangized:

Their own free food program for blacks by blacks taking
no money from the government. It was not fancy, powdered
milk and what not but it worked.

An ambulance and emergency medicine program by Blacks for
Blacks.

Community groups to chase the dope peddlers out of their
neighboorhoods.

I saw pictures of the more notorious Panthers in the Ambulances and what not at an exhibition in the Berkeley public library.

This was how the Panther Party started. How it ended was a different situation altogether.

I think Arnold is a sleazy politician no different than all the rest. He will do anything to get re-elected. At the very least his statement was very sloppy. At worst it was designed to muddy the waters of racial tension in California. Then agains maybe I expect to much. Our very own President did not even know what the voting rights act was when he was sworn in as President. The only two people that I trust at all that have any name recognition are Ron Paul and Nader and I would like to see them run together in the next Pesidential election.



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