that still is in the statutory realm do not go pro se in their realm go pro se using common law if you are going to learn the system it may as well be one that is on your side albeit, you are on your own because the legal profession's oath has sworn not to go there or risk giving up their earned privilege countering their contracts with common law contracts if they acknowledge your common law contract it becomes public record they would rather default than acknowledge only the patient and persistent can survive until it's ultimate turning point..