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Re: otraque post# 5819

Monday, 12/05/2005 6:25:42 PM

Monday, December 05, 2005 6:25:42 PM

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Not familiar with th source but most of what is said here is true AND more importantly an attempt is made to put the facts in context. Context is everything. I have slightly different take on Moore than this guy.


First of all what happened to the supposed smoking gun?

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/International_War_Crimes/WhereBodiesBuried_NATO.htm


Yugoslavia did not disintegrate because of old ethnic hatreds as the corporate media would like the whole world to believe. It was deliberately broken up by the United States and Germany using methods designed to instigate and foster ethnic hatreds.


I would add that Clinton delivered on Tito´s promise of a greater larger Albania. Albanians and Serb Kosovars got along well and fought together against the Nazis in ww2. Serbs welcomed Albanians into Kosovo. However they were generally more well to do Albanians that had smaller families like the Serbs. Later, Tito did a lot of ethnic arranging. He moved large amounts of poor Albanians into Kosovo to oppose the Serb influence. Tito was quoted more than once as saying "a Weak Serbia makes for a Strong Yugoslavia". I believe Tito moved enough Albanians into Kososvo to make the numbers fifity, fifty. Since the poor Albanians have large familys it was apparent from the start that the Kosovars were screwed and going to lost Serb Heartland ( Kososvo ). This could be seen as clearly and as far ahead as the Algerian situation in France.


This is conclusively proven by a law passed by the US Congress a year prior to the start of Yugoslavia's breakup. This law is called Foreign Operations Appropriations Law 101-513. The law cut off all aid, credits and loans from the United States to Yugoslavia. Also, it cut off loans from international institutions heavily influenced by the US like the IMF and the World Bank.


Similar crap as structural readjustment. Banking warfare prior to military warfare.


This law was very hard on Yugoslavia because it had borrowed heavily from foreign banks to finance the growth of its economy and was deeply in debt. The law further stipulated that for aid and loans to be resumed, separate elections had to be held in each of the six Yugoslavian republics, and the US State Department had to approve the election procedures and results in each republic. Only so-called democratic parties were allowed to participate in these elections. In actuality, this meant that the US financed fascist and nationalist parties in each republic, which would collaborate in the breakup of Yugoslavia. Fascist exiles from the old Ustasha party, which ruled the former Nazi puppet state of Croatia, flowed back into that republic from the United States, Canada, Germany, Austria and other countries.


The old fascist symbols and flag returned to prominence.


TRUE

Croatian president Tudjman was a fascist and a Holocaust denier. Thousands of communists, Jews, Roma and Serbs had been killed at the Jasenovac concentration camp run by the Ustashi in Croatia during World War 2.


TRUE and the fact that the west was relatively unconcerned about Tudjman a hard core thug if there ever was one. The connections to the Germans go way back and during Tito´s time one of the reasons that Croations in Yugolslavia did well was because they were allowed to go to Germany and work and get paid in D marks. However I would not be quick to villanize the Croatian populace. On the contrary I see Western support of Tudjman much like Western support of Saddam in days before the Iraq war.


Now, these fascists were returning to power. Muslim fascists returned to Bosnia and seized power. Bosnian president Izetbegovic was a Nazi collaborator in the Second World War.




Ustashi members joined the CIA or OSS after talking a good game about never really being Nazis but just "anti-communist".

THE Gehlen Org.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/GehlenOrg_CIAHits.html

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a072.htm

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id465/pg1/

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Iran_CIAHits.html

Operation paperclip

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Operation_Paperclip_file.html

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/project-paperclip4.htm




There are many other indications of the careful planning of Yugoslavia's disintegration. The CIA trained both the Croatian and Bosnian Muslim militaries. There were numerous reports in European newspapers about this fact, but, naturally, the US corporate media kept silent about it. The US provided air support when the Croatian military drove over 200,000 Serbs from their homes in Krajina- a gigantic ethnic cleansing that dwarfed any atrocities the Serbs were alleged to have committed, including Srebrenica and Sarajevo.


VERY TRUE and why do idiots like Ergo keep pointing to the Serb atrocities that were dwarfed by what happened in the Krajina without mentioning the Attrocities against the Serbs. I guess taking facts out of context and spewing hate speech is just a way of life for some folks.



In fact, the explosion at the market place in Sarajevo, attributed to a Serb mortar or artillery shell, was later found to be a bomb planted by Bosnian Muslims to draw sympathy to their cause and demonize the Serbs.






Croatian and Bosnian governments hired the US public relations firm Ruder Finn to help demonize the Serbs. Ruder Finn was actually proud of its success in demonizing the Serbs, saying that they had overcome the natural sympathy Jews had with Serbs because both had been targeted by the Nazis and turned Jewish public opinion against the Serbs.


Interesting I did not know this.



Finally the so-called Rambouillet agreement, the rejection of which by Yugoslavia was used as a pretext for the massive and continuous bombing of Serbia and Kosovo for nearly three months, was not an agreement, but an ultimatum. It gave NATO forces the right to occupy Serbia-an effective loss of sovereignty and Serbia had every right to reject it.


VERY TRUE. It was demanding uncnditional surrender of ALL of Serbia not just Kosovo as we were told on the news. It demanded absolute control of ALL railways. It demanded all legal and military control of all waterways in ALL of Serbia. The unreasonable list goes on.


Why would the United States deliberately cause the disintegration of Yugoslavia? The Soviet Union and all of Eastern Europe, except for Yugoslavia, had been pressured to adopt a capitalist system (shock therapy), and these countries sold many state-owned industries at fire sale prices to foreign investors. Yugoslavia held out against the privatization and deregulation demands of the IMF and World Bank, and therefore, its people had to pay the price of having cluster bombs and depleted uranium dropped on them. Actually, if state-owned industries can't be privatized, the other option is to bomb them out of existence, move in American corporations and utilize very cheap Slavic labor, all the cheaper because of the chaos and destruction of war. Bombing and the spread of American corporate power go hand in hand.


Even prior to the foreign investment some argued that the West needed to destroy those parts of the F.R.Y. that would not join the capitalists so as to "prove" non capitalist systems dont work.


The bombing of Yugoslavia was not a humanitarian intervention to end ethnic cleansing because at the very same time the US was supporting militarily a far greater ethnic cleansing by Turkey against the Kurds. General Wesley Clark is not a war hero. He is a war criminal, who time after time on CNN defended the bombing of Yugoslavia and choice of targets in an immoral, imperialist war designed to further enrich the ruling elites in the United States. He told lie after lie as all apologists for imperialist wars do and was very truculent in justifying the bombing. No leftist who truly understands the meaning of imperialism could possibly vote for this candidate for president. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.


A sheep in wolfs clothing!? He was an unrepentant military nutcase. Among other things he ordered N.A.T.O. underlings to shoot the Russians in Kosovo. Fortunately it was another countries commander he was ordering around and he told Clark he was not about to start world war 3 for General Clarke.

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