TR - good points although the pain is already long-term. But it makes me want to go back to basics. Brian is not reporting anything because there are no sales to report. Plain and simple. I have invested in this stock under the basic premise that the machine works - but does it? It may work in the sense that it gets power and produces a product but apparently the machine is still not commercially viable. That seems to be the bottom line. It has always been a through-put issue perhaps combined with a price point issue. I tried to ignore others in the past who have stated this thinking that they were just bashing. But that has to be the case. For the price asked, the KDS simply does not produce enough output to be commercially marketable otherwise the product would sell. That is why we are always talking about heat recapture methods, pre-processsing and dewatering issues, sizing issues, etc. It seems until the through-put issue is solved, if ever, there will be no sales. I hate to write this off but I honestly think we may be talking years more of a wait.