I know John, I just get tired of the double talk. "These Guys are morons" and this is a "sophisticated pump and dump" Which is it he can't say both and get by with it! BTW I have enjoyed your posts very much and, although I am late doing this, I want to welcome you to the board! WW says you are a valued poster, I started reading your posts just because of his recommendation and now I read them because they are accurate and informative. Thank you and thank WW