dyna, what are you looking for: a resume? You obviously seem to be under the impression that JG adn KG were laying under a rock somewhere living high on the hog until 1996 when they suddenly surfaced, decided to get interested in Vernon's stuff and hung out a shingle. Why don't you call them up your self and just ask them if they had anything to do with the Torsen? That's the whole premise of your argument here, isn't it--that they had nothing to do with that success? I think you are wrong but you're the one asking the question so just call to get your answer.