CVM has plenty of reputable doctors giving presentations and probably still does, and that doesn't mean that CVM isn't a scam. I bet HEB has the same thing. This doesn't prove the company isn't a scam or that the scientific explanations "prove" anything. And I bet that you don't have the scientific understanding to understand what Thorpe is really saying and you don't have the knowledge to critique it. You should listen to the knowledgeable posters on this board.