BELGIE, your welcome. well, i guess as i alluded to, i view these as traders only but if they fall deep enough they may qualify otherwise for some. as to xlnx, while i have traded it in the past with mixed success, my stable right now is pretty much limited to klac, nvls, mxim, smh and qqq; while they say familiarity breeds contempt, i believe the opposite is true when trading. as to altr, no; but i think mlsoft has on occasion. finally, as to "indicators", i try to project daily extremes on both sides and then wait for the stock to come to me. if you'd like to discuss it more in depth, pm me after the close. LEON