What I am saying is this.......as we traverse from wave to wave we get channel variations... So in looking at the 30 the rise could be a breath taker.....or I could also have it all wrong...( this is also fairly crude as I just got back) stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=$SPX&p=30&st=2011-12-03&en=(today)&i=p17796527066&a=260819254&r=2172