Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[Jar]

>>I am not sure that I agreed to anything. At the moment one definite question I have is why you said "between humanity and God." Why not use the descriptive word that is used most in the Bible?
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JB,
I used humanity to mean "everyone in the world". Recall this dialog is not framed in biblical terms or concepts, as we agreed at the start.

I assumed you agreed to the premises and problem as last stated yesterday because your last response was not to disagree or to suggest any changes - you just said "Show me what you got". So I assumed we had the problem defined and could move into the solution stage. Sorry about that. We can continue in the problem definition stage.

Here are the premise/problem as we last left them. Sounds like you may disagree with #3 since you said you do not ascribe to or deny my belief that I was guilty of sin before God. So how would you change #3? If you are uncomfortable attributing guilt to me personally, that's fine. "I" here is used generically. You could restate it in terms of yourself, or suggest any other change. Thanks.

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First - God exists. I must humbly submit to His commands.
Second - God is completely holy, good, clean, and pure.
Third - I am not holy and pure because I refuse to perfectly follow His commands. I have separated myself from God.
Fourth - God is just. Justice requires disobedience be punished.
Problem: How can I escape God's punishment, yet justice be preserved?