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Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:16:03 AM
Crash Of US U-2 Spy Plane - Iran Related
I have added to speculation on this subject and it does look like Iran shot down one of our planes.
-Am
5 2005, 01:01 PM
According to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), the Associated Press of the US has disseminated the following news item:
"A US Air Force U-2 spy plane has crashed in south-west Asia, the US military has said. The crash occurred at 2330 GMT on Tuesday, according to a short written statement from US Central Command. A military spokesman told the Associated Press that the location of the crash would not be released because of "host nation sensitivity". The U-2 is a high-altitude surveillance aircraft first developed in the Cold War and manned by a single pilot. Central Command gave no details of the plane's mission, and said the cause of the crash and the condition of the pilot were currently unknown. "The specific location is not releasable due to host nation sensitivities," US Air Force Capt David W Small, a Central Command spokesman, told the news agency. South-west Asia is a phrase often used by the US military to refer to the Middle East. The long, thin plane, with a wing-span of 100 feet (30.5m) is able to cruise at 90,000ft (27,430m) - more than 17 miles (27km) up - so high that the pilot has to wear a spacesuit."
The expression "host nation" should normally refer to the country which had agreed to host the plane and from where the spy flight had originated and not to the country in whose territory the plane crashed.
Since the start of the so-called war against terrorism in Afghanistan in October,2001, (Operation Enduring Freedom), there have been reports that the United Arab Emirates has also agreed to host US U-2 planes in one of its Air Force bases and it has been sensitive to the leakage of any information on this.
A subsequent report by the Associated Press says that the pilot is dead and that a US search party has reached the site of the crash. This would indicate that the plane probably crashed in friendly and not hostile territory. A US spokesman has been quoted as saying that the plane crashed while returning to its base after completing a mission in connection with Op Enduring Freedom. A United Arab Emirates news agency has been quoted by the BBC as saying that the aircraft crashed while trying to land at an Air Force base in the country. This has been corroborated by the CNN, which has quoted local US officials as claiming that they did not believe hostile fire was involved
High-flying aircraft are deployed to escape enemy radar detection or ground fire. Neither conditions apply in Afghanistan.
The US is probably being less than honest in claiming the mission was connected with Afghanistan's Op Enduring Freedom and not Iran's nuclear sites for obvious reasons.
Why would a spy plane from the UAE fly around the Persian/Arabian Sea over Pakistani airspace into Afghanistan? Why not use a Pakistani leased base for a flight into Afghanistan? The plane had to have been sent directly over Iran from the UAE.
It was the Russians or Soviets who shot down a U-2 piloted by Francis Gary Powers, which had taken off from Peshawar for flying over Soviet territory to the US Air Force base at Helsinki.
Initially, Dwight Eisenhower, the then US President, denied Soviet claims about the flight thinking that the pilot, as per the standing instructions, would have committed suicide. When the USSR subsequently announced that he was alive and in its custody, Eisenhower admitted the flight and announced the discontinuance of all spy flights over Soviet territory.
In the summer of 1962, the Soviet Union began installing 42 medium-range nuclear missiles in Cuba. U.S. spy planes detected the missiles, and the United States began a naval blockade of the island nation. Tensions peaked when Cuba shot down a U-2 on Oct. 27; Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev submitted to President Kennedy's demand the missiles be withdrawn.
Now we have the Russians helping Iran shoot down UFOs (U-2s).
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Reference:
U.S. U2 spy plane crashes in United Arab Emirates; pilot killed
June 22, 2005
PATRICK QUINN
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq - An American U-2 spy plane crashed while returning to its base in the United Arab Emirates on Wednesday, killing the pilot after a mission in support of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
The aircraft crashed in the Emirates while approaching the base to land, said a Pentagon official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the operation. Early reports gave no indication of any hostile fire, but it was too soon to be certain why it crashed, the official said.
The U-2 is a single-seat, single-engine reconnaissance plane that operates at an altitude of more than 70,000 feet and has been used in every major conflict the United States has fought since the aircraft went into service a half-century ago.
Flying beyond the range of most surface-to-air missiles - the pilot must wear a full pressure suit similar to those used by astronauts - the U-2 was famously shot down in 1960 over the Soviet Union.
With its bicycle-type landing gear and the challenges of handling the aircraft at low altitudes, the U-2 requires a high degree of precision during landing. Forward visibility is limited, partly because of the extended nose. A second pilot normally "chases" the U-2 while it lands, assisting the pilot by providing information on altitude and runway alignment.
The military did not immediately release the location or circumstances of the crash because it did not want to create problems for the nation where the plane went down. Officials also withheld the name of the pilot pending notification of relatives.
According to the military, the crash happened at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday EDT, which would be early Wednesday in the United Arab Emirates.
In Washington, Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, said the plane had completed a mission related to Operation Enduring Freedom, the code name for American operations in Afghanistan.
There has been heavy fighting in southern Afghanistan in recent days, with American fighter planes bombarding rebel hideouts with missiles and bombs, killing up to 76 insurgents in fighting Tuesday and Wednesday.
A U.S. security team was at the site of the crash, Venable said.
"The Airmen of the 380th Air Expeditionary Wing mourn the loss of a true American hero in the service of his country," said Col. Darryl Burke, the unit's wing commander.
The wing has been based at the al-Dhafra air base near Abu Dhabi, in the United Arab Emirates, since early 2002 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. It flies various types of aircraft, including aerial refueling tankers and the Global Hawk - a pilot-less plane about the size of a Boeing 737. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited the wing in August.
Burke appointed an interim investigation board to determine the cause of the crash. It was not clear when the results of the investigation would be completed.
U.S. Central Command said only that the crash occurred in "southwest Asia," a term that can be a substitute for the Middle East.
"The specific location is not releasable due to host nation sensitivities," U.S. Air Force Capt. David W. Small, a Central Command spokesman, said in an e-mail.
The U-2 has been used by the United States for decades, and the new model, the U-2S, entered service in 1994 - 39 years after the first plane went into operation. There are just 36 in the world, 29 being used by the Air Force, five two-seat trainers and two used for high-flying NASA research.
The plane saw extensive use in both Afghanistan and Iraq, before, during and after the war.
In February 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell said Iraq was violating a U.N. resolution by rejecting U-2 reconnaissance flights.
The planes also were used in the 1991 Gulf War, and employed with great success by U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq in the 1990s to uncover advanced weapons development centers, which were later destroyed.
In January 2003, a U-2 crashed in South Korea. The pilot ejected to safety, but four Koreans on the ground were injured.
A U-2 was shot down May 1, 1960, over Soviet territory while photographing Soviet missile installations. After parachuting to safety, pilot Francis Gary Powers was captured and later convicted as a spy. He was held for almost two years before being traded for a KGB captive.
In the summer of 1962, the Soviet Union began installing 42 medium-range nuclear missiles in Cuba. U.S. spy planes detected the missiles, and the United States began a naval blockade of the island nation. Tensions peaked when Cuba shot down a U-2 on Oct. 27; Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev submitted to President Kennedy's demand the missiles be withdrawn.
YahyaJun 24 2005, 11:26 AM
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/062205_u2crash.php
I have added to speculation on this subject and it does look like Iran shot down one of our planes.
-Am
5 2005, 01:01 PM
According to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), the Associated Press of the US has disseminated the following news item:
"A US Air Force U-2 spy plane has crashed in south-west Asia, the US military has said. The crash occurred at 2330 GMT on Tuesday, according to a short written statement from US Central Command. A military spokesman told the Associated Press that the location of the crash would not be released because of "host nation sensitivity". The U-2 is a high-altitude surveillance aircraft first developed in the Cold War and manned by a single pilot. Central Command gave no details of the plane's mission, and said the cause of the crash and the condition of the pilot were currently unknown. "The specific location is not releasable due to host nation sensitivities," US Air Force Capt David W Small, a Central Command spokesman, told the news agency. South-west Asia is a phrase often used by the US military to refer to the Middle East. The long, thin plane, with a wing-span of 100 feet (30.5m) is able to cruise at 90,000ft (27,430m) - more than 17 miles (27km) up - so high that the pilot has to wear a spacesuit."
The expression "host nation" should normally refer to the country which had agreed to host the plane and from where the spy flight had originated and not to the country in whose territory the plane crashed.
Since the start of the so-called war against terrorism in Afghanistan in October,2001, (Operation Enduring Freedom), there have been reports that the United Arab Emirates has also agreed to host US U-2 planes in one of its Air Force bases and it has been sensitive to the leakage of any information on this.
A subsequent report by the Associated Press says that the pilot is dead and that a US search party has reached the site of the crash. This would indicate that the plane probably crashed in friendly and not hostile territory. A US spokesman has been quoted as saying that the plane crashed while returning to its base after completing a mission in connection with Op Enduring Freedom. A United Arab Emirates news agency has been quoted by the BBC as saying that the aircraft crashed while trying to land at an Air Force base in the country. This has been corroborated by the CNN, which has quoted local US officials as claiming that they did not believe hostile fire was involved
High-flying aircraft are deployed to escape enemy radar detection or ground fire. Neither conditions apply in Afghanistan.
The US is probably being less than honest in claiming the mission was connected with Afghanistan's Op Enduring Freedom and not Iran's nuclear sites for obvious reasons.
Why would a spy plane from the UAE fly around the Persian/Arabian Sea over Pakistani airspace into Afghanistan? Why not use a Pakistani leased base for a flight into Afghanistan? The plane had to have been sent directly over Iran from the UAE.
It was the Russians or Soviets who shot down a U-2 piloted by Francis Gary Powers, which had taken off from Peshawar for flying over Soviet territory to the US Air Force base at Helsinki.
Initially, Dwight Eisenhower, the then US President, denied Soviet claims about the flight thinking that the pilot, as per the standing instructions, would have committed suicide. When the USSR subsequently announced that he was alive and in its custody, Eisenhower admitted the flight and announced the discontinuance of all spy flights over Soviet territory.
In the summer of 1962, the Soviet Union began installing 42 medium-range nuclear missiles in Cuba. U.S. spy planes detected the missiles, and the United States began a naval blockade of the island nation. Tensions peaked when Cuba shot down a U-2 on Oct. 27; Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev submitted to President Kennedy's demand the missiles be withdrawn.
Now we have the Russians helping Iran shoot down UFOs (U-2s).
#msg-4957430
Iran to shoot down ‘flying objects’ near nuclear facilities
#msg-4927318
US planes violate Iranian airspace: reports
#msg-4990368
Reference:
U.S. U2 spy plane crashes in United Arab Emirates; pilot killed
June 22, 2005
PATRICK QUINN
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq - An American U-2 spy plane crashed while returning to its base in the United Arab Emirates on Wednesday, killing the pilot after a mission in support of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
The aircraft crashed in the Emirates while approaching the base to land, said a Pentagon official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the operation. Early reports gave no indication of any hostile fire, but it was too soon to be certain why it crashed, the official said.
The U-2 is a single-seat, single-engine reconnaissance plane that operates at an altitude of more than 70,000 feet and has been used in every major conflict the United States has fought since the aircraft went into service a half-century ago.
Flying beyond the range of most surface-to-air missiles - the pilot must wear a full pressure suit similar to those used by astronauts - the U-2 was famously shot down in 1960 over the Soviet Union.
With its bicycle-type landing gear and the challenges of handling the aircraft at low altitudes, the U-2 requires a high degree of precision during landing. Forward visibility is limited, partly because of the extended nose. A second pilot normally "chases" the U-2 while it lands, assisting the pilot by providing information on altitude and runway alignment.
The military did not immediately release the location or circumstances of the crash because it did not want to create problems for the nation where the plane went down. Officials also withheld the name of the pilot pending notification of relatives.
According to the military, the crash happened at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday EDT, which would be early Wednesday in the United Arab Emirates.
In Washington, Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, said the plane had completed a mission related to Operation Enduring Freedom, the code name for American operations in Afghanistan.
There has been heavy fighting in southern Afghanistan in recent days, with American fighter planes bombarding rebel hideouts with missiles and bombs, killing up to 76 insurgents in fighting Tuesday and Wednesday.
A U.S. security team was at the site of the crash, Venable said.
"The Airmen of the 380th Air Expeditionary Wing mourn the loss of a true American hero in the service of his country," said Col. Darryl Burke, the unit's wing commander.
The wing has been based at the al-Dhafra air base near Abu Dhabi, in the United Arab Emirates, since early 2002 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. It flies various types of aircraft, including aerial refueling tankers and the Global Hawk - a pilot-less plane about the size of a Boeing 737. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visited the wing in August.
Burke appointed an interim investigation board to determine the cause of the crash. It was not clear when the results of the investigation would be completed.
U.S. Central Command said only that the crash occurred in "southwest Asia," a term that can be a substitute for the Middle East.
"The specific location is not releasable due to host nation sensitivities," U.S. Air Force Capt. David W. Small, a Central Command spokesman, said in an e-mail.
The U-2 has been used by the United States for decades, and the new model, the U-2S, entered service in 1994 - 39 years after the first plane went into operation. There are just 36 in the world, 29 being used by the Air Force, five two-seat trainers and two used for high-flying NASA research.
The plane saw extensive use in both Afghanistan and Iraq, before, during and after the war.
In February 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell said Iraq was violating a U.N. resolution by rejecting U-2 reconnaissance flights.
The planes also were used in the 1991 Gulf War, and employed with great success by U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq in the 1990s to uncover advanced weapons development centers, which were later destroyed.
In January 2003, a U-2 crashed in South Korea. The pilot ejected to safety, but four Koreans on the ground were injured.
A U-2 was shot down May 1, 1960, over Soviet territory while photographing Soviet missile installations. After parachuting to safety, pilot Francis Gary Powers was captured and later convicted as a spy. He was held for almost two years before being traded for a KGB captive.
In the summer of 1962, the Soviet Union began installing 42 medium-range nuclear missiles in Cuba. U.S. spy planes detected the missiles, and the United States began a naval blockade of the island nation. Tensions peaked when Cuba shot down a U-2 on Oct. 27; Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev submitted to President Kennedy's demand the missiles be withdrawn.
YahyaJun 24 2005, 11:26 AM
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/062205_u2crash.php
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