Phil, forever is a very long time. Either Joe will work his way out or he will be terminated. I did not think there were lifers in IHub Jail...death row yes. Costs too much to keep inmates alive indefinitely. About $35,000 per year, so I hear. Even Spam costs money. Colleen in Orlando <img src=http://users.skynet.be/gedi/emoticons4u/dressed/bek117.gif>