Got it thanks! Sorry what is are patents to and who owns them?[iyo]. Well I also agree with your post! Some come and act like they are new and the next thing the have pages of info,coincidence? Who knows but there a real people out there that have lost ALOT of money in Q and I myself want to buy N but am not sure what to make of it! The Common person seems to get screwed always. GLTY JMHO