Apex was a creditor. Nothing more. The questions were asked, rheotrically obviously... I already knew the answer. Of course, you know how these things go. Such facts did not fit in with the pump and dump agenda at the time. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54719730 http://www.avbuyer.com/articles/detail.asp?Id=45