the source link for the Hartmann piece first in the post to which this is a reply now http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10019 (via http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/ ) -- and to tie in, see (items linked in) http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58161609 (and in general, the entire string from http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58149506 forward)