All, just what is a "Scam"?
As an example, I have some desert land to sell you cheap - most would say that land sales as this are "scams", although you do take title to land.
I do not believe that TATF is premediated or preplanned fraud, but I do believe that it has spiraled into a scam due to a variety of factors.
Just because the trees exist, does not mean that it is not a scam.
TATF's own website advertises on its projection pages that thinned lumber sells for 0.65/bd ft TODAY, yet it rots in the fields and they do not appear to sell any. They advertise that they thin young trees at 7 and 10, etc years old, yet they have not thinned any trees for some years, and mine are long overdue.
Regardless of the legal definition of a "scam" (if there is one), it sure appears that TATF has devolved into a scam.
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