Just for the fun of it since I have no intention to conduct an unending discussion based on unverifyable facts I could try to use: (3) Any bonafide business that Matin/Veltex did business with Matin participated in 6 to 12 business shows within the last year and seems to have paid whatever costs were incurred. This being said, I still do not have a clue what this is realy all about (however I know that up to 2002, the darn stock was dead under water). You say "black", He says "White", I say "Let's see".