Have you learned nothing from that experience? You will never get people to do what you want that way! Back off the hard sell! Present your case then let others make up their own minds instead of trying to cram what you think they should do down their collective throats. Geesh! Go read "How To Win Friends and Influence People". Like Scarlet, you throw away your happiness with both hands while busily snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. . . I swear, sometimes I wonder why I like you so much!