Constantine, Re: Anyway, all of AMD's products that I mentioned are not "powerpoint" products but real products that have been demonstrated at numerous venues.
...which means nothing, of course. Not to trivialize the importance of showing a "proof of concept" demonstration, but functionality need not be complete to get to this phase. Intel demonstrated Madison silicon running on modified hardware back in the Spring, yet that product won't be launched until Q2 next year. Intel even had it running on popular database software (I believe DB2 from IBM), and it ran without a hitch. In the Fall IDF, Intel demonstrated hot-swappable nodes, allowing someone to upgrade the processors without ever turning the machine off. This is a very high end RAS feature, yet it worked great in a 32-way SMP system. That demonstrates high confidence in silicon, yet it was still at least six months away from a product launch. The point is that demonstrations are nice as a "proof of concept", but it doesn't mean that the silicon is healthy enough for launch. As far as I know, Intel doesn't have any .13u manufacturing problems, so I can only assume that Madison is still exhibiting functional problems with rare corner cases that only pop up under extreme conditions. AMD may be at that point with Hammer, but that's usually the longest and most difficult part of the validation process. So I would not rule out functional problems in Hammer, even though it has been demonstrated multiple times.
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