hey augie ... been reading jeff's chart ..... i noticed that his PPO has (5, 10,1) setting ...... the chart is in message #8560 ..... why those settings ??? any idea ?? also .... thanx for directing me to change the settings on slo-fast-full STO .... those settings are much more " defined" ........ love whats goin on at the P&S board ....... wish i could jump in ...... but ..... i only have so much $$$ to go around ....:-(( have a nice weekend .... cya david