ajtj99 The "guess" is just not making any more bottoms for a few days.You can pick how high(g) <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vel1/" target="_new">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vel1/</A> <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hal1/" target="_new">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hal1/</A> Larry Dudash