well....ajtj....what i do see is the dow low of 5182 in july 96.....a higher low of 6356 in apr 97...a higher low of 6971 in oct 97....a higher low of7400 in sept 98...i higher low of 7532 in july 02...and so far a higher low of 7939 in sept 02........its all a matter of how u look at things.....for a bear market of historic dimensions it seems weird that the weekly ad line bottomed over 2 years ago and is goin nutz on the upside.....and i just heard on cnbc that interest rates are back to the low of 1962....wasnt that the crash of 62??...into a 4 year cycle low???...lessee 62 66 70 74 78 82...btw 82...deja vu (ny times "dark days on wall st")..86..90..94 ...98...2002......thats what i see because thats what there is....nothing more nothing less....good luck