yeah but they need beer money and most pay no attention as to what they even own...they just say hmm looks good I'll buy and sell and move on, I see it everyday...but if you can hold em for big rewards ie KATX when it does blow up...now instead of making a few hundred $ your making tens of thousands...that is a very sweet feeling indeed...I have learned patience it isnt easy but now that I know first hand what being patient is all about (sometimes waiting months) whhoooooo hooooo the best quote I ever seen here on IHUB was "it took 3 years to become a millionaire overnight"