Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

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I appreciate your sincerity. I believe your goals are worthy, but I also believe that the AZ law goes about it in the wrong way. The opportunities for abuse are fairly plain. With all due respect to our law enforcement, many of them are not the brightest bulbs in the pack. I wonder if you'll change your tune the first time you're harassed without just cause?

The modus operandi in this country seems to be to take the easy way out....that is to say....pick on the least likely to have the ability to defend themselves. The existing laws are more than adequate to deal with the problem, so the question is....why aren't they being enforced? If employers were given more than a little slap on the wrist for hiring illegals, if the good white folks of AZ and elsewhere were't so fond of their illegal nannies, cooks and gardeners, if business interests couldn't succeed in paying our politicians to look the other way, there would be no problem....illegals wouldn't come here and the ones already here would leave of their own accord.

Why do we tolerate Mexico openly encouraging it's citizens to enter the US?......Because it's ggod for business! It's also good for Mexico:

The immigration scam is very successful: the rulers export their unemployment to the United States and get back billions in remittance cash annually— 2003 is on track to rack up a record $11 billion.

Talk about easy money: the worse the oligarchy run the country, the more people leave and send back money.

Furthermore, every social service for illegal aliens and legal immigrants financed by the American taxpayer—medical care, K-12 education, college tuition breaks, housing vouchers and food stamps—frees up more money for remittances.

Recent surveys show half of Latino immigrants send money home, with a monthly average amount of $250. http://vdare.com/walker/mexico_the_rich.htm

Not to mention

[Re drug money].......Estimates on how much money is sent south each year range from $10 to 30 billion. For Mexican traffickers along the Southwest border, the money is literally driven across the border in bulk amounts and then deposited into Mexican banks. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/math.html (read the whole piece)

Another side of the argument:...........drug smugglers provide a service that Americans want, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. The toatally unsuccesful "War on Drugs" costs us $600 per second (http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm) while instead the country could be collecting tax on sales of minor drugs and treating hard drugs, as most civilized countries do, as an illness rather than a criminal offense. But then....where would the CIA get it's money? http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html

But then...it's always easier to attack the symptom rather than the cause....isn't it?

Here's another good read: http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigration/a/IllegalImmi.htm

I find it fascinating that it's usually the people wearing the too tight, red, white and blue underwear, are the first ones to want to give up their liberties. "If you're not doing anything wrong, what have you got to be afraid of"?, they say. The relevance of the oft used statement by Martin Niemöller seems totally lost on them:

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."