I am sorry for the confusion steel.......I was just joking with uzual about a topic (pre/post)we have beaten to death worse than a dead horse............My sarcasm was to point that,just like other bogus arguments here,a good majority of the board here feel there will be absolutely NO discrimination between pre and post in this case...............if pre shareholders are harmed,they have to file class action suits for damages,quite different from a Chapter 11 BK case such as this one.......