OldTymer,Nor have you or anyone else submitted proof that Pike is a stuck bagholder. because thats what he is today .. there is no fact to support anything else none that was my comment .. if there are any supporting docs - I have yet to see one .. or read any thing pike said .. one can speculated until the pigs fly home .. the the fact he still holds and has taken his hit .. fits the bill of a bag holder I can't prove something that is not there .. but, I can see ..what is there and I can not find any past company where Pike got involved as a take over operator of the company has anyone found any such fact? contary to my opinion?