Hey Van, As a N00B I read your guide. What I want to know is your opinion on all those people who cry to hold on to your stock. For example on the RVGD board you have 50% bashers and 50% holders. Are these holders just trying to get most people to hold onto the failing stock so they can unload theirs? It seems to go hand in hand. The bashers start to pick apart the company and the "holders" kick into gear about the value of holding these shares. To me both seem toxic. What I did not get from your primer is the benefit to the bashers by driving the pps down? Are they short sellers? I know e-trade does not allow short selling on otc bb or pinks so how does the short selling occur?