Alcatel is far more of a possibility IMO.... I'll believe it when I see it, but clearly if NVI is for real and they are going to do anything logical with their supposed technology they cannot succeed without hardware manufacturer's like Alcatel adopting their chips. Are they already speaking with Alcatel - most likely not. Do they know they need to speak with them when they have something to show - -I would certainly hope so. Maybe they have had some preliminary looking over the fence conversations over the last 12-18 months - I can't imagine any common shareholders who posts here would have a clue one way or the other.