Pacor..Conference call stated that JV's were well advanced and should be nailed down within the next couple of weeks. I will hold till christmas and see what happens. Its dissappointing to see market reaction after call yesterday I thought it was positive with some hope to cling to. Patent is sorted last thing now is deals. real money investors are required now and I suppose we have to give Ken a chance. Big clear out needed costs put under control and some real people needed to drive this I hope we have the right man now..