jackal, thanks for your honesty. i believe all of us on this post appreciate your information very, very much! i own a ton of UGSI and as you may know, i've owned it before andy was with the company. my opinion of mark smith is very negative and i will short geospatial at the appropriate time. so we may have a different opinion on this issue. one and only one thing i give mark smith credit for...he is a real publicist and hypester. when this venture doesn't work out, maybe he can open up a PR firm...and maybe i'll hire him! thanks for all you do on this post and thanks to everyone who is respected on this post!