i will be asking them about Ascend products and see the demo. John is going with me as few things he wants Frank to do for him for the car clubs which got bought up in the meeting. It's about few ICS button that are not needed ... or name of button to be changed to better fit the purposes. Of course, all these changes will be available to the user (admin) to change by themselves soon .. they are working on it per Paul's email. The next generation of ICS will be so flexible as far as changing user interface. This translates to less time for F3 to have to involve in such changes.